The problem with "Wikimedia United States" is, besides AffCom, that it implies we are a big national chapter to all of the international Wikimedians, who are used to this exact naming format for big national chapters.
I was thinking about it, and perhaps "Wikimedia US Community" might just achieve the right balance between modesty and brandedness. WALRUSly yours, Richard (User:Pharos) On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks <[email protected]>wrote: > [Changing the subject line since the subject of the thread has shifted.] > > I think all of these naming discussions over the years have been more > annoying than useful. WALRUS has its charm, but is a bit silly and no one > denies that. I don't think the "Federation" was any less absurd, however, > and I'm not sure the "Coalition" is far behind. The newer names are > professional, but seem to tend towards projecting a false sense of formal > organizational structure/maturity to achieve that. I don't think we should > be too quick to change all the names on things yet again before we've > hashed these things out. To be honest, I even missed the change from > Federation to Coalition earlier this year, and I'm usually attentive to > these things. > > My opinion is that we should just be clear and descriptive, if we are > moving away from adorableness. I would favor "Wikimedia United States" (do > we actually know AffCom would dislike that, even if we became a user group, > which is trivially easy?), and, if not that, "Wikimedians in the United > States" or "United States Wikimedians". > > Dominic > > On 14 August 2013 00:52, Kevin Rutherford <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I second Jason, as WALRUS has never really sounded professional in my >> opinion, and I know there was talk at Wikimania in 2012 about finding a >> name to replace it. Right now, competing names don't help us, and I doubt >> most active Wikimedians could describe the function of each group mentioned >> below. >> >> >> Kevin Rutherford >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:13 PM, "Jason Moore" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I lean towards dropping the WALRUS name, and sticking with the more >> legitimate-sounding Coalition. >> >> Jason / Another Believer >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> I'm not sure we can really separate the branding that way, since our >>> en.wiki activity mostly consists of advertising for off-wiki events. If >>> someone from en.wiki shows up at a "WALRUS" event and starts talking to >>> someone from meta who believes it to be a "Wikimedia US" event, there's >>> still going to be some degree of confusion (and resulting brand dilution). >>> >>> Personally, I think we're at the point where we need to select a single >>> brand and stick with it everywhere, rather than trying to maintain multiple >>> competing brands. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Kirill >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Pharos <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I was thinking that we could differentiate the two by developing the >>>> 'WALRUS' branding more as a wikiproject-type campaign on enwiki, while >>>> reserving the "official unofficial" name of 'Wikimedia United States >>>> Coalition' for the more bureaucratic niceties of meta (widespread use of >>>> the latter name outside of meta without explicit WMF go-ahead might also be >>>> problematic). >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Richard >>>> (User:Pharos) >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Kirill Lokshin < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The template looks good, but shouldn't we be using the same "Wikimedia >>>>> United States Coalition" terminology that we use in the meta version of >>>>> the >>>>> template, so as to be consistent? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Kirill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Pharos >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Following up on Bob's idea of regional "sister cities" cooperation, >>>>>> I've grouped together some of the more active cities on the new enwiki >>>>>> template, by the Northeast, Midwest, South, and West: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WALRUS >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it could be a good idea in future to have an on-wiki >>>>>> noticeboard for each of these four very rough chunks of the country, just >>>>>> to help with regional communication and scheduling of events (and >>>>>> especially as a way to reach out to some of the smaller / less active >>>>>> cities, and e.g. help the Texans settle on a meetup location). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Richard >>>>>> (User:Pharos) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Samuel Klein <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> (yet!) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Bob the Wikipedian >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> > But none of those cities have a WALRUS chapter. :P >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Bob >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On 7/13/2013 11:35 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> Boston is engaged in sibling rivalry and virtual event >>>>>>> coordination >>>>>>> >> would be natural with the cities of >>>>>>> >> Boston and New Boston in NH, NY (an enclave of Red Sox Nation), >>>>>>> IN, >>>>>>> >> IL, OH, MI, KY, MO, AL, GA, and TX. >>>>>>> >> Cambridge in PA, ID, IA, KS, ME, MD, MN, NB, VT, and WI... and NY >>>>>>> >> again (enclaves 2 and 3) >>>>>>> >> Brighton in CO, OR, and TN (and enclaves 4-6 in NY) >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> That covers about half of the country. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> SJ >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Bob the Wikipedian >>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Actually, we're already doing this in Indiana. Evansville, >>>>>>> Bloomington, >>>>>>> >>> and >>>>>>> >>> Indianapolis are sister cities since we're within several hours >>>>>>> of one >>>>>>> >>> another. We've been taking turns hosting the annual Wiknic. >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Bob (Evansville) >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> On 7/12/2013 9:40 AM, Pharos wrote: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Perhaps it might be a good idea to connect different local >>>>>>> Wikimedian >>>>>>> >>> efforts through an informal sister cities / regions program... >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Think of it: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Cascadia and New England! >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Minnesota and Colorado! >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> LA and Atlanta! >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>> Richard >>>>>>> >>> (User:Pharos) >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 >>>>>>> 529 4266 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaus-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l > >
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