I think you are arguing against yourself with "Wikimedia US Community". I don't see how "Community" is distinct from "Wikimedians". It seems like wordiness for no real purpose—is there or should there be a type of Wikimedia US that is not about or of the "Community"? Are you implying official chapters aren't about the community? Is it worse to confuse a chapter-like entity for a chapter than to be completely confused as to what some strangely named entity exists for?
I think that if this is the definitive group that would represent the Wikimedians in United States in some capacity, the specific governance structure makes little difference when it comes to nomenclature, and it shouldn't be denied the simple, traditional geographic naming convention just because it's one type of affiliation and not another. Certainly, we shouldn't act like it's off the table when it makes the most since in many ways. Dominic On 14 August 2013 01:44, Pharos <[email protected]> wrote: > The problem with "Wikimedia United States" is, besides AffCom, that it > implies we are a big national chapter to all of the international > Wikimedians, who are used to this exact naming format for big national > chapters. > > I was thinking about it, and perhaps "Wikimedia US Community" might just > achieve the right balance between modesty and brandedness. > > WALRUSly yours, > Richard > (User:Pharos) > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Dominic McDevitt-Parks < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> [Changing the subject line since the subject of the thread has shifted.] >> >> I think all of these naming discussions over the years have been more >> annoying than useful. WALRUS has its charm, but is a bit silly and no one >> denies that. I don't think the "Federation" was any less absurd, however, >> and I'm not sure the "Coalition" is far behind. The newer names are >> professional, but seem to tend towards projecting a false sense of formal >> organizational structure/maturity to achieve that. I don't think we should >> be too quick to change all the names on things yet again before we've >> hashed these things out. To be honest, I even missed the change from >> Federation to Coalition earlier this year, and I'm usually attentive to >> these things. >> >> My opinion is that we should just be clear and descriptive, if we are >> moving away from adorableness. I would favor "Wikimedia United States" (do >> we actually know AffCom would dislike that, even if we became a user group, >> which is trivially easy?), and, if not that, "Wikimedians in the United >> States" or "United States Wikimedians". >> >> Dominic >> >> On 14 August 2013 00:52, Kevin Rutherford <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I second Jason, as WALRUS has never really sounded professional in my >>> opinion, and I know there was talk at Wikimania in 2012 about finding a >>> name to replace it. Right now, competing names don't help us, and I doubt >>> most active Wikimedians could describe the function of each group mentioned >>> below. >>> >>> >>> Kevin Rutherford >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:13 PM, "Jason Moore" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I lean towards dropping the WALRUS name, and sticking with the more >>> legitimate-sounding Coalition. >>> >>> Jason / Another Believer >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kirill Lokshin < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not sure we can really separate the branding that way, since our >>>> en.wiki activity mostly consists of advertising for off-wiki events. If >>>> someone from en.wiki shows up at a "WALRUS" event and starts talking to >>>> someone from meta who believes it to be a "Wikimedia US" event, there's >>>> still going to be some degree of confusion (and resulting brand dilution). >>>> >>>> Personally, I think we're at the point where we need to select a single >>>> brand and stick with it everywhere, rather than trying to maintain multiple >>>> competing brands. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Kirill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Pharos >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was thinking that we could differentiate the two by developing the >>>>> 'WALRUS' branding more as a wikiproject-type campaign on enwiki, while >>>>> reserving the "official unofficial" name of 'Wikimedia United States >>>>> Coalition' for the more bureaucratic niceties of meta (widespread use of >>>>> the latter name outside of meta without explicit WMF go-ahead might also >>>>> be >>>>> problematic). >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Richard >>>>> (User:Pharos) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Kirill Lokshin < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The template looks good, but shouldn't we be using the same >>>>>> "Wikimedia United States Coalition" terminology that we use in the meta >>>>>> version of the template, so as to be consistent? >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Kirill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Pharos <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Following up on Bob's idea of regional "sister cities" cooperation, >>>>>>> I've grouped together some of the more active cities on the new enwiki >>>>>>> template, by the Northeast, Midwest, South, and West: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:WALRUS >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe it could be a good idea in future to have an on-wiki >>>>>>> noticeboard for each of these four very rough chunks of the country, >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> to help with regional communication and scheduling of events (and >>>>>>> especially as a way to reach out to some of the smaller / less active >>>>>>> cities, and e.g. help the Texans settle on a meetup location). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Richard >>>>>>> (User:Pharos) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Samuel Klein <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (yet!) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Bob the Wikipedian >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > But none of those cities have a WALRUS chapter. :P >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Bob >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On 7/13/2013 11:35 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> Boston is engaged in sibling rivalry and virtual event >>>>>>>> coordination >>>>>>>> >> would be natural with the cities of >>>>>>>> >> Boston and New Boston in NH, NY (an enclave of Red Sox Nation), >>>>>>>> IN, >>>>>>>> >> IL, OH, MI, KY, MO, AL, GA, and TX. >>>>>>>> >> Cambridge in PA, ID, IA, KS, ME, MD, MN, NB, VT, and WI... and NY >>>>>>>> >> again (enclaves 2 and 3) >>>>>>>> >> Brighton in CO, OR, and TN (and enclaves 4-6 in NY) >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> That covers about half of the country. >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> SJ >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Bob the Wikipedian >>>>>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Actually, we're already doing this in Indiana. Evansville, >>>>>>>> Bloomington, >>>>>>>> >>> and >>>>>>>> >>> Indianapolis are sister cities since we're within several hours >>>>>>>> of one >>>>>>>> >>> another. We've been taking turns hosting the annual Wiknic. >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Bob (Evansville) >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> On 7/12/2013 9:40 AM, Pharos wrote: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Perhaps it might be a good idea to connect different local >>>>>>>> Wikimedian >>>>>>>> >>> efforts through an informal sister cities / regions program... >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Think of it: >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Cascadia and New England! >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Minnesota and Colorado! >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> LA and Atlanta! >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> >>> Richard >>>>>>>> >>> (User:Pharos) >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>>> >>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 >>>>>>>> 529 4266 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimediaus-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaus-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaus-l > >
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