Hoi,
There are so many people in Wikipedia who are hardly notable but who have a
large base on Google. They just happen to be in the USA and they have been
noted for instance as a councilor of a small USA village. How in hell does
this mean notability ?
Google in English is not in and of itself reliable as an indicator when the
lack of information from Google particularly from countries and other
languages is considered as an argument of insisting on the lack of
notability. The issue with self promoting is in a different domain;it is in
the language and the culture where Google may indicate relevance.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 14 December 2014 at 08:59, Marco Chiesa <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Il giorno 14/dic/2014 01:32, "Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या
> *فريدريك نورونيا" <[email protected]> ha scritto:
> >
> > Let's put it this way: Wikipedia sees no flaw in accepting the
> unquestioned
> > logic that
> >
>
> if-you-don't-have-a-cyber-presence-or-aren't-mentioned-there-you-don't-exist-or-are-anyway-non-notable.
>
> I'd say the official position is "if you have a strong cyber position
> you're very likely to be notable"
>
> >
> > This stacks the cards strongly against those from non-English
> backgrounds,
> > those from the less digitised parts of the world, and those who may be
> > working in non-print/non-textual media (e.g. people who have worked for
> the
> > Urdu service of the BBC, for instance, as it struck me when a page on
> > journalist Reba Shahid came up for deletion recently).
>
> Coming up for deletion doesn't mean getting deleted. I understand the
> problem, it takes more effort to show that something with an apparently low
> google count is indeed notable, you may have to keep explaining the contest
> every time, and it's very likely that something gets deleted because people
> who may have been able to demonstrate it was notable didn't show up.
> >
>
> >
> > * Ask whether issues like 'non-notability' need to be such a big issue,
> > considering both the diversity of the planet, and also the fact that in
> the
> > case of the Wikipedia, space isn't a huge problem as in the printed text.
>
> > Those interested will refer to any entry they want; "non-notable" entries
> > would automatically get less traction. Let the 'market' of
> > information-seekers decide what is 'non-notable'.
>
> Non-notability is an important criterium to fight against people using
> Wikipedia for self-promotion, which is nowadays a huge problem. To answer
> your concerns, the problem is the way you measure notability. Google
> results work well in many cases: if something as a lot of hits from
> reliable external websites, than notability is very likely. However, this
> is a sufficient condition, not a necessary one (although people are often
> unaware of the difference).
>
> >
> > Take an example of a prominent person from the world of Konkani
> literature
> > in Goa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhavi_Sardesai who also edits
> the
> > only literary joural in that language here. Her work is all in the
> Konkani
> > language (Devanagari script) and thus not visible to those on Wikipedia
> who
> > raise questions of notability.
> >
>
> I'm just speculating here, but it probably applies to some case. If someone
> has only written a short story which got published on some obscure journal,
> he/she is very unlikely to be notable. Now, if all you apparently find in
> google is this short story, then it's fair to raise a question about
> notability. In an ideal world, reliable sources that the person's
> production in language X is notable have been provided, so the doubt is
> solved and we all learn about another culture.
>
> Of course in real world you may only get someone whose first language is
> not English, and not very familiar with Wikipedia policies, who will just
> say: I very like this writer; maybe another couple of persons will do the
> same (and get accused of sockpuppetry), and the article will be deleted,
> also thanks to the comment of a lazy native speaker guy who spent one
> minute on google and only found a few hits on a forum.
>
> So, the problem is not notability, but the way it is measured. I'm sure
> that even in Goa someone tries to be in Wikipedia to get visibility, and
> even in the US someone who should be on Wikipedia gets deleted because no
> one is able to demonstrate the notability. Efforts to fill the gap are
> important, but controls must exist.
>
> Cruccone
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