The discussion page was moved together with the page itself. The discussion is still on the discussion page of the new page.
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]> wrote: > Continuing a thread from some time back: > > Is it possible to get back the earlier discussion from this page > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Gutjahr > prior to it being shifted? > > (The page was earlier called Journalist Richard Gutjahr) > After the name was changed, the earlier discussion is not easily > accessible, or someone visiting a page would not get an idea of what was > said about it. > > I'm concerned that there might be some systemic flaw with the way the > Wikipedia works here. > > Any change of name in a page could result in the loss of all the earlier > discussion, or make it difficult to find. Even if it's very relevant to the > page as currently renamed. > > Please note, that this page has since got a "may not meet Wikipedia > notability guidelines" tag, which I think could be a sign of things going > wrong due to a flaw in how the software works.... and the fact that the > earlier discussion is not easily accessible now. > > FN > > On 23 December 2016 at 20:25, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> "Redirecting" an article normally means editing the article to replace its >> content with "#REDIRECT [[Target]]". It shouldn't affect the talk page >> whatsoever. >> >> What might be confusing is that, for example, if you redirect [[Foo]] to >> [[Bar]] (by editing [[Foo]]'s content to be "#REDIRECT [[Bar]]"), by >> afterwards navigating to the [[Foo]] page you are automatically redirected >> to [[Bar]] (that's the whole point), which means the "Talk" tab at the top >> will lead to [[Talk:Bar]]. The talk page for [[Foo]] is still at >> [[Talk:Foo]] but to access it, you will need to either navigate to it >> directly, or if you go to [[Foo]] and it loads [[Bar]], you should have a >> note under the page header that says "(Redirected from [[Foo]])", where you >> can click on the link to [[Foo]] and thus load the [[Foo]] page without >> being redirected, and then the "Talk" tab will lead to [[Talk:Foo]]. >> >> Hopefully that makes sense! If you tell us exactly what page you're >> talking about we'll be able to help you more precisely. >> >> ======================================== >> ~ Ben / Salvidrim! >> · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk >> · Wikimedia Canada member >> · UTRS Ambassador >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? >> Sent: 23 déc. 2016 03:09 >> To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... >> >> This happened with me once. I redirected a page (for entirely legitimate >> reasons), and to my surprise and horror found that the 'Talk' page >> accompanying it had more or less vanished, and could not longer be easily >> accessed. Maybe it was still available somewhere, but it was not easy to >> find, nor was it linked to the main entry of the page. >> >> My intention in this case was not to hide the Talk page (since it had some >> valuable discussion, and multiple points of view on it). >> >> It just struck me that if there was some controversial content, the best >> way anyone wanting to block or censor it (the Talk page) would be to >> redirect a page! >> >> My question: (i) are the earlier talk pages easily find-able after a page >> has been redirected elsewhere? (ii) is there some way they can be made >> prominent, so that the earlier discussion is also available for the record? >> >> Thanks and regards, >> >> Frederick. >> >> On 22 December 2016 at 21:15, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > If you tell us what page you’re talking about Frederick, we might be >> > able to help you locate the talk page you can’t find. ☺ >> > >> > >> > ======================================== >> > ~ Ben / Salvidrim<https://salvidrim.net/>! >> > · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk >> > · Wikimedia >> > Canada<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> >> > member >> > · UTRS >> > Ambassador<https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb> >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On >> > Behalf Of Ynhockey >> > Sent: 22 déc. 2016 10:25 >> > To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... >> > >> > >> > >> > The person who moves the page can specify whether the talk page moves >> > with it, so either it moves with the actual page, or stays behind with >> > the old title. In any case it isn't deleted. >> > >> > >> > >> > —Yan (User:Ynhockey). >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक >> > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]<mailto: >> > [email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Is this a bug or is it a feature? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Just wanted to know what happens to the 'talk' section of a >> > > Wikipedia >> > >> > > entry once (or if) a page gets shifted. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > I noticed that the earlier discussions (that might have come up via >> > >> > > the >> > >> > > Talk) just disappears. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the earlier talk seems to >> > > be >> > >> > > untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said >> earlier. >> > >> > > >> > >> > > If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for instance, to cover >> > >> > > earlier discussions... by simply changing the title of the page). >> > >> > > >> > >> > > Am I missing something here? >> > >> > > >> > >> > > FN >> > >> > > >> > >> > > -- >> > >> > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> > >> > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ >> > >> > > _/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Wikipedia-l mailing list >> > >> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> > > >> > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikipedia-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >> > >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l -- André Engels, [email protected] _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
