Obviously not. The page was moved on 09:53, 9 August 2016 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Gutjahr&oldid=733665909> and the first comment on the talk page was only on 7 August 2016 (UTC) There were discussions before that too. Have been following it. I am just concerned about a 'change in page name' being used as a form of censorship of the talk record. Can someone show me a way to access the 'talk' of the earlier page please? Assuming that can be done? FN
On 23 February 2017 at 14:37, Andre Engels <[email protected]> wrote: > The discussion page was moved together with the page itself. The > discussion is still on the discussion page of the new page. > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]> wrote: > > Continuing a thread from some time back: > > > > Is it possible to get back the earlier discussion from this page > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Gutjahr > > prior to it being shifted? > > > > (The page was earlier called Journalist Richard Gutjahr) > > After the name was changed, the earlier discussion is not easily > > accessible, or someone visiting a page would not get an idea of what was > > said about it. > > > > I'm concerned that there might be some systemic flaw with the way the > > Wikipedia works here. > > > > Any change of name in a page could result in the loss of all the earlier > > discussion, or make it difficult to find. Even if it's very relevant to > the > > page as currently renamed. > > > > Please note, that this page has since got a "may not meet Wikipedia > > notability guidelines" tag, which I think could be a sign of things going > > wrong due to a flaw in how the software works.... and the fact that the > > earlier discussion is not easily accessible now. > > > > FN > > > > On 23 December 2016 at 20:25, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> "Redirecting" an article normally means editing the article to replace > its > >> content with "#REDIRECT [[Target]]". It shouldn't affect the talk page > >> whatsoever. > >> > >> What might be confusing is that, for example, if you redirect [[Foo]] to > >> [[Bar]] (by editing [[Foo]]'s content to be "#REDIRECT [[Bar]]"), by > >> afterwards navigating to the [[Foo]] page you are automatically > redirected > >> to [[Bar]] (that's the whole point), which means the "Talk" tab at the > top > >> will lead to [[Talk:Bar]]. The talk page for [[Foo]] is still at > >> [[Talk:Foo]] but to access it, you will need to either navigate to it > >> directly, or if you go to [[Foo]] and it loads [[Bar]], you should have > a > >> note under the page header that says "(Redirected from [[Foo]])", where > you > >> can click on the link to [[Foo]] and thus load the [[Foo]] page without > >> being redirected, and then the "Talk" tab will lead to [[Talk:Foo]]. > >> > >> Hopefully that makes sense! If you tell us exactly what page you're > >> talking about we'll be able to help you more precisely. > >> > >> ======================================== > >> ~ Ben / Salvidrim! > >> · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk > >> · Wikimedia Canada member > >> · UTRS Ambassador > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? > >> Sent: 23 déc. 2016 03:09 > >> To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... > >> > >> This happened with me once. I redirected a page (for entirely legitimate > >> reasons), and to my surprise and horror found that the 'Talk' page > >> accompanying it had more or less vanished, and could not longer be > easily > >> accessed. Maybe it was still available somewhere, but it was not easy > to > >> find, nor was it linked to the main entry of the page. > >> > >> My intention in this case was not to hide the Talk page (since it had > some > >> valuable discussion, and multiple points of view on it). > >> > >> It just struck me that if there was some controversial content, the best > >> way anyone wanting to block or censor it (the Talk page) would be to > >> redirect a page! > >> > >> My question: (i) are the earlier talk pages easily find-able after a > page > >> has been redirected elsewhere? (ii) is there some way they can be made > >> prominent, so that the earlier discussion is also available for the > record? > >> > >> Thanks and regards, > >> > >> Frederick. > >> > >> On 22 December 2016 at 21:15, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > If you tell us what page you’re talking about Frederick, we might be > >> > able to help you locate the talk page you can’t find. ☺ > >> > > >> > > >> > ======================================== > >> > ~ Ben / Salvidrim<https://salvidrim.net/>! > >> > · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk > >> > · Wikimedia > >> > Canada<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> > >> > member > >> > · UTRS > >> > Ambassador<https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb> > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> > Behalf Of Ynhockey > >> > Sent: 22 déc. 2016 10:25 > >> > To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The person who moves the page can specify whether the talk page moves > >> > with it, so either it moves with the actual page, or stays behind with > >> > the old title. In any case it isn't deleted. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > —Yan (User:Ynhockey). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक > >> > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]<mailto: > >> > [email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Is this a bug or is it a feature? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Just wanted to know what happens to the 'talk' section of a > >> > > Wikipedia > >> > > >> > > entry once (or if) a page gets shifted. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > I noticed that the earlier discussions (that might have come up via > >> > > >> > > the > >> > > >> > > Talk) just disappears. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the earlier talk seems to > >> > > be > >> > > >> > > untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said > >> earlier. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for instance, to cover > >> > > >> > > earlier discussions... by simply changing the title of the page). > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Am I missing something here? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > FN > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
