There were no talk page discussions prior to the move.
* The article was created by you on August 5th, 2016 at "Journalist Richard Gutjahr". * "Talk:Journalist Richard Gutjahr" was created on August 7th, 2016, by User:FeanorStar7, with a banner and a rename suggestion (diff<https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Richard_Gutjahr&oldid=733437352>) * On August 9th, 2016, the article and its talk page were moved by User:The Banner from "Journalist Richard Gutjahr" to "Richard Gutjahr" and all the revisions of the article and its talk page were moved in the history of the new article. What leads you to think there were more discussions between the creation on Aug 5th and the move on Aug 9th? You don't have any talk page contributions during that span. And no deleted contributions either. Why are you so sure there were discussions during that span of time? Do you recall which username(s) might have taken part in the alleged talk page discussions? ======================================== ~ Ben / Salvidrim<https://salvidrim.net/>! · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk · <https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> Wikimedia Canada<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> member · <https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb> UTRS Ambassador<https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb> ________________________________ From: Wikipedia-l <[email protected]> on behalf of Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]> Sent: February 23, 2017 4:36 AM To: Wikipedia mailing list Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... Obviously not. The page was moved on 09:53, 9 August 2016 <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Richard_Gutjahr&oldid=733665909> and the first comment on the talk page was only on 7 August 2016 (UTC) There were discussions before that too. Have been following it. I am just concerned about a 'change in page name' being used as a form of censorship of the talk record. Can someone show me a way to access the 'talk' of the earlier page please? Assuming that can be done? FN On 23 February 2017 at 14:37, Andre Engels <[email protected]> wrote: > The discussion page was moved together with the page itself. The > discussion is still on the discussion page of the new page. > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]> wrote: > > Continuing a thread from some time back: > > > > Is it possible to get back the earlier discussion from this page > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Gutjahr > > prior to it being shifted? > > > > (The page was earlier called Journalist Richard Gutjahr) > > After the name was changed, the earlier discussion is not easily > > accessible, or someone visiting a page would not get an idea of what was > > said about it. > > > > I'm concerned that there might be some systemic flaw with the way the > > Wikipedia works here. > > > > Any change of name in a page could result in the loss of all the earlier > > discussion, or make it difficult to find. Even if it's very relevant to > the > > page as currently renamed. > > > > Please note, that this page has since got a "may not meet Wikipedia > > notability guidelines" tag, which I think could be a sign of things going > > wrong due to a flaw in how the software works.... and the fact that the > > earlier discussion is not easily accessible now. > > > > FN > > > > On 23 December 2016 at 20:25, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> "Redirecting" an article normally means editing the article to replace > its > >> content with "#REDIRECT [[Target]]". It shouldn't affect the talk page > >> whatsoever. > >> > >> What might be confusing is that, for example, if you redirect [[Foo]] to > >> [[Bar]] (by editing [[Foo]]'s content to be "#REDIRECT [[Bar]]"), by > >> afterwards navigating to the [[Foo]] page you are automatically > redirected > >> to [[Bar]] (that's the whole point), which means the "Talk" tab at the > top > >> will lead to [[Talk:Bar]]. The talk page for [[Foo]] is still at > >> [[Talk:Foo]] but to access it, you will need to either navigate to it > >> directly, or if you go to [[Foo]] and it loads [[Bar]], you should have > a > >> note under the page header that says "(Redirected from [[Foo]])", where > you > >> can click on the link to [[Foo]] and thus load the [[Foo]] page without > >> being redirected, and then the "Talk" tab will lead to [[Talk:Foo]]. > >> > >> Hopefully that makes sense! If you tell us exactly what page you're > >> talking about we'll be able to help you more precisely. > >> > >> ======================================== > >> ~ Ben / Salvidrim! > >> · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk > >> · Wikimedia Canada member > >> · UTRS Ambassador > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ??????? > >> Sent: 23 déc. 2016 03:09 > >> To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... > >> > >> This happened with me once. I redirected a page (for entirely legitimate > >> reasons), and to my surprise and horror found that the 'Talk' page > >> accompanying it had more or less vanished, and could not longer be > easily > >> accessed. Maybe it was still available somewhere, but it was not easy > to > >> find, nor was it linked to the main entry of the page. > >> > >> My intention in this case was not to hide the Talk page (since it had > some > >> valuable discussion, and multiple points of view on it). > >> > >> It just struck me that if there was some controversial content, the best > >> way anyone wanting to block or censor it (the Talk page) would be to > >> redirect a page! > >> > >> My question: (i) are the earlier talk pages easily find-able after a > page > >> has been redirected elsewhere? (ii) is there some way they can be made > >> prominent, so that the earlier discussion is also available for the > record? > >> > >> Thanks and regards, > >> > >> Frederick. > >> > >> On 22 December 2016 at 21:15, Ben Salvidrim <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > If you tell us what page you’re talking about Frederick, we might be > >> > able to help you locate the talk page you can’t find. ☺ > >> > > >> > > >> > ======================================== > >> > ~ Ben / Salvidrim<https://salvidrim.net/>! > >> > · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk > >> > · Wikimedia > >> > Canada<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page> > >> > member > >> > · UTRS > >> > Ambassador<https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb> > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> > Behalf Of Ynhockey > >> > Sent: 22 déc. 2016 10:25 > >> > To: Wikipedia mailing list <[email protected]> > >> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page.... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The person who moves the page can specify whether the talk page moves > >> > with it, so either it moves with the actual page, or stays behind with > >> > the old title. In any case it isn't deleted. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > —Yan (User:Ynhockey). > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक > >> > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <[email protected]<mailto: > >> > [email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Is this a bug or is it a feature? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Just wanted to know what happens to the 'talk' section of a > >> > > Wikipedia > >> > > >> > > entry once (or if) a page gets shifted. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > I noticed that the earlier discussions (that might have come up via > >> > > >> > > the > >> > > >> > > Talk) just disappears. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the earlier talk seems to > >> > > be > >> > > >> > > untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said > >> earlier. > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for instance, to cover > >> > > >> > > earlier discussions... by simply changing the title of the page). > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > Am I missing something here? > >> > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > FN > >> > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
