On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 14:36, David Gerard <dger...@gmail.com> wrote:

> However, impenetrable wikitext is one of *the* greatest barriers to
> new users on Wikimedia projects. And this impenetrability is not, in
> any way whatsoever or by any twists of logic, a feature.

Adding a gui layer to wikitext is always okay, as long as it's
possible to get rid of, since majority of edits not coming from "new
users", and losing flexibility for power users to get more newbies
doesn't sound like a good deal to me.

At least all of the GUIs I've seen were slow and hard to use, and
resulted unwanted (side) effects if something even barely complex were
entered. And this isn't the problem of Wikipedia: google docs, which
is one of the most advanced web-based gui systems I guess have plenty
of usability problems, which only can be fixed by messing with the
Source. And many core people want to mess with the source.

So, adding a newbie layer is okay as long as you don't mess up the
work of the non-newbies.

g

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