Hi, Olivier. I just woke up and saw this message, and I'm on my way out the door to a volunteering appointment, but I'll be writing a longer response later today. I am taking these concerns seriously; I'm sorry that I can't respond immediately.
Regards, Sumana Harihareswara On 11/05/2011 01:32 AM, Olivier Beaton wrote: > Dear Sumana, > > I'm going to remove my application from consideration, this whole > process has been demeaning and insulting and I've taken enough of a > beating over it. > > While full of optimism and excitement in mid-September, while > constantly active in #mediawiki for over a month, the attitude of the > developers (who you do not name, where's the transparency in this > process?) and yourself have just leeched out any energy I have towards > the MediaWiki community. > > When I arrived, extension in hand (which is still mark in beta, I > remind you, using your own template), people seemed friendly, > encouraging me immediately to apply for access, so that more eyes > could look at things and give feedback, which up to that point I was > actively soliciting in IRC. In that time I've started two more > extensions (each with multiple iterative releases, one in beta and > another experimental), which is very clear given the download page for > my Realnames extension which lists all three. The mere fact that here > you are asking me if I've done anything other then Realnames shows a > basic lack of interest in my application, my MW profile, my website > where my downloads are hosted and described, as well as an ignorance > to my daily presence and participation in IRC for most of September > and almost all of October (I've been away on a trip at the very end). > > If developers have criticism about my code, I'm happy. I want to > actually receive it. I thought that was the whole point of asking for > access, so you can get into the code review queue and actually receive > that criticism and people can point you in the right direction. > Considering I have an extension (and two more now, one beta and one > experimental) that work, isn't slow even on large wikis (that I've > tested, despite them not being as optimized as they could be -- > perhaps if I had a chance to learn the MW Framework better and get > feedback), shows that you "don't have to train me from scratch" as the > wiki pages about svn access say. > > At no point was any attempt made to contact me in IRC (despite my high > level of participation there) to speed up this process in any manner, > to ask for clarification or voice concerns. Instead it's been 7 weeks > of silence with sudden burst of "produce this -- sorry no answer yet, > with heavy undertones of doesn't look good". > > There seems to have been concern with my original license, a > BSD-2-Clause with copyright assignment so I don't lose the ability to > distribute my code, this isn't the GPL, you need a contributor > agreement with BSD (as I understand it). Yet absolutely no effort was > made to communicate these concerns to me, or to work out what those > issues were and how they could be resolved. I happen to have stumbled > upon another project that had a more elegant solution to the BSD > contribution problem (with a different type of contributor agreement) > and it seems like that may have cleared things up. But I'm guessing > here. From your emails it sounded like you were just ready to turn it > down with a "Sorry we don't agree with your license". During which > time no attempt was made to look at the code sample, just playing > cat-and-mouse for weeks on a licensing concern to now arrive at a > cat-and-mouse for weeks on code samples. > > You've accused me in the past of not seeing you as a person, but just > another staff person part of a bureaucratic organization, and yet in > turn, no efforts have been made in this process to treat me like a > human being. > > To make it clear, I've never asked for core access, I'm not trying to > mess up your project, all I wanted to do was be able to participate on > equal footing in the community with other extension developers, to > co-exist and grow and share knowledge. To take advantages of tools > like code-review, the familiarity people have with the MW repo (and > other who can contribute to it!) and distribution system. > > You've made it painfully clear to me, and gauging from the message > left by Yaron, to others as well, that despite all the smiles and nice > words: > > > We're not welcome. > > > And to me, that's really sad. > Olivier Beaton > > p.s. I'm cc'ing wikitech-l not just out of frustration, but because I > feel my feedback provides a meaningful contribution to the discussion > Yaron started weeks ago on this very topic of access -- one which has > seen near zero transparency in the community. > > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Commit access requests > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Olivier, >> >> One of the access-granting developers looked at the code sample, >> Extension:Realnames, and had some criticisms, as it tries to find and >> replace all >> username links in the page output HTML, and the User::newFromName( >> $m['username'] >> ); query in the callback for each match is not batched. >> >> He and the other developers would very much like to see more code from you in >> order to grant commit access -- do you perhaps have some other code samples >> you've >> written, for another project, or possibly for MediaWiki or MediaWiki >> extensions in >> the sadly long time it's been since you originally submitted this request? >> >> Thank you. >> >> best, >> Sumana >> >> 11/02/2011 01:01 - Olivier Beaton wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the update. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Commit access requests >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Olivier: >>>> >>>> Thank you, again, for requesting commit access and being part of the >>>> MediaWiki >>>> community. The developers reviewing your application are fine with your >>>> new plan >>>> (the BSD-2-Clause license) and are now reviewing your code samples, and I >>>> expect a >>>> decision based on that code review within the week. Thank you, and sorry >>>> for the >>>> delay. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Sumana Harihareswara > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
