It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins to
port.

- Trevor


On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 6:48 PM, MZMcBride <z...@mzmcbride.com> wrote:

> Tomasz Finc wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Why is Cologne Blue still in core?
> >
> >A good time to revist
> >
> >https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Turning_off_outdated_skins
> >
> >and re-run
> >
> >https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Turning_off_outdated_skins/stats
>
> Tomasz' links are relevant, but it's on the associated talk page that
> there's a hint of the real reason this happened: Cologne Blue was
> originally slated for execution, but MatmaRex (an active developer)
> stepped up and agreed to maintain it.
>
> Stats would be helpful here, though I disagree with the general premise:
> most of the old skins were fine to kill because they sucked, they weren't
> used very much, and/or they weren't maintained. However that does _not_
> mean that we should only have one or two skins. Instead, the skinning
> system should just suck a lot less: it should be easier to add or remove a
> pre-made skin, it should be easier to customize a skin (site-wide), it
> should be easier to create a new skin, it should be easier for users to
> change their skin, and any additional skins we ship with MediaWiki should
> be more attractive and should cleanly support extensions.
>
> In addition to unfairly limiting user choice, site configurability, and
> site customizability, the current skins system also encourages confusion
> between Wikipedia and non-Wikimedia wikis. In other words, if it weren't
> so dreadful to change MediaWiki's skin, there would presumably be reduced
> user confusion. As it is, almost every MediaWiki wiki looks the same.
>
> MZMcBride
>
>
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