I don't think anyone is suggesting removing or even moving Monobook. I
think we are more talking about assigning effort more proportionally to
preference of users. Cologne Blue is not the clear favorite of any group of
users that we know of.

- Trevor


On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 11 March 2014 15:21, Jon Robson <jdlrob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It might be easier to revamp the skin system if there were fewer skins
> to
> > > port.
> >
> > Touché.
> >
> > So.. so 2 questions
> > 1) would anyone have any objections to moving it out of core and into
> > its own extension?
> > 2) would anyone have any objections for turning it off on Wikimedia wikis
> >
> > FWIW, having a single skin in core would actually be a good thing for
> > skin development. Currently writing a skin outside core is difficult -
> > I found this in the development of the mobile skin. Having a leaner
> > codebase in core would actually encourage better organisation to make
> > things. skinStyles is a great example - if your skin is not in core,
> > you can't use it.
> >
> >
>
> Speaking from a user perspective, having all of 4 skins available (really?
> 4? That's a lot?) does make a difference in differentiating which
> nearly-identical wikis one is working on, particularly if one or more of
> the wikis involved are non-public ones.  Aside from Vector and Monobook,
> though, I don't see a reason why they can't be extensions, as long as
> they're still in the preference lists.
>
> I strongly urge maintaining Monobook exactly the way that Vector is
> maintained: it's the clear favourite of the most active users, it's
> still faster after years of improving Vector, and it handles a lot of
> accessibility issues much better than Vector (particularly for the visually
> impaired, according to those editors I know who have to deal with this).
>
> Risker/Anne
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