Rainer makes a few good points. This is not just another weekly software update, this is a high profile interface change. The discussion Max linked to did not have the same scope. And the site notice is just point A in a set of three sensible suggestions. I've followed the development of the Media Viewer and am very happy with how it turned out. On the other hand I can understand that it may pose a disruption in the established workflows of power users. I don't think we should paddle back now though. What we could offer on commons is a banner with a two buttons. One to dismiss the banner, and one to dismiss the banner and deactivate the media viewer (we have the technology for one-click gadget (de)activation already). I'd hate for a negative opinion to build on media viewer because of that. I'm convinced it is a necessary and modern UI that is adequate for most of our end users. Daniel
On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Max Semenik <maxsem.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought we already had this discussion recently: > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/412782?do=post_view_threaded#412782 > > > On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Rainer Rillke > <rainerril...@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> Recently, Media Viewer[1] (MMV) has been switched at Wikimedia Commons >> to be default. >> >> As some people do not care a lot for beta features or new features, do >> not read the mailing lists and overlook main discussion forums or are >> just unable to understand English, they were surprised and confused and >> wondered how they could disable the feature. >> >> Please help me to evaluate if there are alternatives to how software >> deployment is currently done. Here are some suggestions from community >> member Jameslwoodward (commons adminstrator): >> >> >> A Post a banner so that there is a good chance of actually reaching >> everyone. >> B Ensure that the internally referenced help page actually has correct >> information. >> C Major changes can be the default for new users, but should be opt-in >> for existing users. >> >> I think (A) could be partially done by tech-ambassadors (what a >> difficult word); however when deploying something like MMV to all wikis, >> isn't this worth a CentralNotice? >> >> (B) is as obvious as important. Outdated information is confusing. Make >> sure to update your help pages before going to release your software to >> the wild. Or delay the release until this is done. >> >> Suggestion (C) is interesting, although perhaps technically difficult to >> implement. >> If a feature that one experienced as anonymous user is good [login >> cookies expire, ...], or one explicitly tested the feature or was told >> by a fellow about a good feature, it is very likely that one will enable >> that feature for the account, too. People will do this freely. Without >> complaining. And people, who intentionally enabled a feature, usually >> have a positive attitude, are willing to help and improve the feature. >> They will provide you with constructive feedback. >> The overall atmosphere would be a lot more positive than that we >> currently experience with new tools, *the power users do not need*. So >> why not actively promoting a feature until there is a critical mass >> using it? It may take a lot of time but I think it's worth a test. >> >> >> A personal appeal: >> Please care about the power users [2]. They are the core and foundation >> of the WMF projects. They create the content; manage most issues - think >> about the OTRS team - in their spare time, ... so WMF can finally run >> the fundraiser banners and you can get your payment. >> >> -- Rillke >> >> >> [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Multimedia/Media_Viewer >> [2] >> >> http://www.aswedeingermany.de/50SoftwareDevelopment/20MostImportantRuleOfUIDesign.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Max Semenik ([[User:MaxSem]]) > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
