On 9/5/15, rupert THURNER <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> There is consensus at >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps >> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few >> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other >> ones). This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all >> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our >> goals here?” and “how should this work?”. After these sections are >> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive >> changes to them. >> >> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the >> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior. These >> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and >> appear to have stabilized. >> >> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please >> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections: >> >> * >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >> >> * >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >> >> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your >> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to >> [email protected] . Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and >> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will >> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your >> request. >> >> > lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the > reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus?
Consensus, of the people participating in the talk page of the draft, in the typical Wikimedia definition of the word (Most arguments have .puttered out, and a super-majority of those participating seem to have settled on some agreement). Since arguments seem to have mostly stopped, and most of the people participating on the talk page seem to be in agreement, several people felt that its time to bring this back to the larger community for comment before asking the larger community to approve. And thus here we are. > probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. Well you're sending email here. That's participation. Your arguments will influence people, and as a result may change the course of what the wider community decides. > i > would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for > the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success > criteria. e.g > > * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it > * 20% of committers want it > * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done > > other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written" > would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more > conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim > ? I feel like this is mixing up the question of whether we "need" a code of conduct, with whether we will get a code of conduct. Whether we need a code of conduct is a complicated question, that has been debated quite a bit already. I do not believe this is something that is quantifiable (Or if we are tying the CoC to some sort of quantifiable goal, then we are doing it for the wrong reasons). Whether we will get one (or to put another way, under what criteria will we consider the proposal to adopt a code of conduct a success, and actually adopt it), is a different question. My opinion would be to have something along the lines of having a vote, and if 75% of the people who decide to participate support it, then its considered adopted. Although I'm sure people will argue back and forth about the procedures for this and people are talking about it at Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps. -- -bawolff _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
