> - the stylesheets need to be conditional because IE8 needs a different value > for the @media than everything else (and thus can't use the same module) ? You can use media queries inside the stylesheet, too.
> But the conditional stylesheet method employed by vector won't work if it's > LESS because this method is not for RL modules, and yet it is looking like > this will be our only option now Unfortunately, that's right. If you want to use less with Vector's solution, you probably need to implement dirty hacks with building your own RL load.php call in php and add this, instead of a static file link. But that would be really hacky, and I'm sure, that this is one of the worst solutions. > If we're using LESS on a responsive skin, we simply have to maintain two > (probably pretty identical) desktop stylesheets if we want to support IE8 at > all? If you use media queries, no. Best, Florian -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Isarra Yos [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Freitag, 13. November 2015 19:14 An: Florian Schmidt <[email protected]>; Wikimedia developers <[email protected]> Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go JavaScript-less starting January 2016 I don't really understand how this solves anything, though - the stylesheets need to be conditional because IE8 needs a different value for the @media than everything else (and thus can't use the same module). Other than that, it's still the same stylesheet as is being served to everything else. But the conditional stylesheet method employed by vector won't work if it's LESS because this method is not for RL modules, and yet it is looking like this will be our only option now? If we're using LESS on a responsive skin, we simply have to maintain two (probably pretty identical) desktop stylesheets if we want to support IE8 at all? On 13/11/15 10:02, Florian Schmidt wrote: > I'm not totally sure, but if you put your styles into a top queue module, the > module would be delivered through RL (with all it's features, including LESS > compilation) and the browser requests it without JavaScript (it should be > added into one of the RL link tags in head). The change to disable JS on IE8 > should affect bottom queued modules, only (the requests for these modules are > initialized by JS). > > Another solution could (probably) be conditional style sheets, like Vector > uses for IE7: > https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Vector/blob/3f1515a7b2237 > 93818c6ac82805ee3b6c462fe50/SkinVector.php#L58-L62 > > Best, > Florian > > -----Original-Nachricht----- > Betreff: Re: [Wikitech-l] [BREAKING CHANGE] IE 8 will go > JavaScript-less starting January 2016 > Datum: 2015-11-12T18:20:39+0100 > Von: "Isarra Yos" <[email protected]> > An: "Wikimedia developers" <[email protected]> > > Perhaps I should clarify why this is a problem. In fully responsive > skins, you generally have separate stylesheets for desktop, mobile, > really big desktop, whatever in order to keep the CSS rules simple and > not redundant (to avoid having mobile overriding desktop rules or visa > versa, you just only send the mobile styles to mobile, the desktop to > desktop). You do this by setting maximum and minimum screen sizes in > the @media queries, but the problem is, IE8 does not support this, and > will not load a stylesheet at all if these sizes are set. So you need > to give it the desktop styles some other way, without the @media size rules > present. > > While it is possible to simply add CSS to the page header using > outputPage, probably bypassing RL and all that entirely, this only > works with CSS, not LESS, because all the LESS magic is happening within RL. > So without RL, that means you need to render your desktop stylesheet > into CSS for this, which means you now need to maintain it in two > different places even though it's the same rules in both. > > Using js got around this whole problem as with that you can simply > check the browser there and then conditionally mw.loader.load a > size-free module for IE8. > > Is there any other way around this? > > On 12/11/15 02:56, Isarra Yos wrote:> Is there a way to conditionally > load RL modules for folks using IE8?> Because I couldn't figure out > any proper way to do that in my skins> and I've just been using js to > do it instead as a result.>> But that's not going to work anymore. But > it's also stupid regardless.>> On 12/11/15 02:11, Krinkle wrote:>> Hey > all,>>>> Starting in January 2016, MediaWiki will end JavaScript > support for>> Microsoft Internet Explorer 8. This raises the cut-off > up from MSIE 7.>> Users with this browser will still be able to > browse, edit, and>> otherwise>> contribute to the site. However, some > features will not be available to>> them. For example, the enhanced > edit toolbar will not appear, and the>> notification buttons will take > you to a page rather than a pop-out.>>>> This change will affect > roughly 0.89% of all traffic to Wikimedia>> wikis (as>> of October > 2015). For comparison, 0.33% of traffic comes from Internet>> Explorer > 6, and 1.46% from Internet Explorer 7. Support for these was>> dropped > in August and September 2014 respectively.>>>> Providing JavaScript > for IE 8 adds a significant maintenance burden. It>> also bloats the > software we ship to all users, without proportionate>> benefit. This > enables us to simplify and streamline the JavaScript>> codebase>> for > all other users. Users unable to upgrade from Internet Explorer 8>> > will>> have a faster experience going forward, based on well-tested > and more>> stable code.>>>> This change will land in the development > branch in January, and so>> will be>> part of MediaWiki 1.27 (to be > released around May 2016).>>>> Tech News will announce this change as > well, but please help carry this>> message into your communities. In > January, we will send a reminder>> before>> the change happens.>>>> > Yours,>> -- Krinkle>>>> For details about the JavaScript-less > experience, see>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Compatibility>> > _______________________________________________>> Wikitech-l mailing > list>> [email protected]>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
