Keeping the teahouse thread alive... ...for some time I've wanted to prototype some real-time chat and editing features with the Teahouse folks (eg, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TogetherJS) to make the "conversations" Risker mentions easier/more natural. If anyone has suggestions about who to talk to about this, let me know. --scott
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> wrote: > Ori said: > > > I would like us to consider the contribution that modifications to the > user experience make to the > > interpersonal climate on the wikis. > > > > I think that this is important. Our social experience in computer > mediated spaces is intertwined with the technologies that manage our > interactions. This is certainly true to Wikipedia[1] and I think it is > true generally[2]. While we may find it easy to discuss the technology and > social things separately, it is very important that we don't interpret this > as a real separation. Our social patterns affect how we choose and design > our digital technologies and our digital technologies -- in turn -- affect > our social patterns(for more discussion, see [3]). > > J-Mo said: > > > If WMF ever supports any additional Teahouse-related development, it > should > > be focused on giving more new editors, on more Wikis, access to Teahouses > > and Teahouse-like tools and resources—rather than doing anything to the > > Enwiki Teahouse itself, which is doing just fine. > > > > But J-Mo, we're literally planning to explore supporting the Teahouse > with > more digital technologies right now -- you and I! E.g. using ORES > <https://ores.wmflabs.org/> to identify more good-faith newcomers to route > to the Teahouse & building a search interface to help newcomers explore > past questions. Maybe it's OK because we don't plan to do anything *to* > the Teahouse, but rather to work *with* the hosts to figure out how to > build up capacity. I suspect that, if the technologies we develop are > able to make the positive social interactions that the Teahouse excels in > available to more newcomers -- we'll succeed. And hopefully, if our > technological investments into the Teahouse fail and somehow make positive, > human interactions more difficult or otherwise less common, we'll have the > insight to not deploy them beyond an experiment. > > This thread started out as a harmless (and humorous!) joke and it has > turned into a debate around our values with regards to technologies that we > intentionally integrate with social behaviors. I think this is a > conversation we ought to have, but I'd really like to see us move beyond > platitudes. Technology isn't good or bad. It certainly isn't easy to get > right, but I believe we can co-evolve our tech and our social structures. > In a computer mediated environments such as ours, this socio-technical > co-evolution is our only hope to actually making real progress. > > 1. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Rise_and_Decline > 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociotechnical_system > 3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-We4GZbH3Iw#t=34m04s (my "Paramecium > talk") > > -Aaron > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:30 PM, Matthew Flaschen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > On 04/02/2016 09:37 PM, Ori Livneh wrote: > > > >> Why am I going on about this? I guess I'm a bit bummed out that the idea > >> of > >> designing user interfaces that seek to improve the emotional environment > >> by > >> making it easier to be warm and personal to one another is a joke. > >> > > > > For what it's worth, as someone who wasn't involved in that April Fools's > > "feature", but joke-reviewed it, I did not intend to to discourage any > > serious efforts to encourage a warm and productive editor community. > > > > Matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- (http://cscott.net) _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
