On 10/02/12 00:47, [email protected] wrote: > Hi again! > > Okay. I've read all the answers and want to make a small summary for > myself (IMHO): > > 1) The MOST important: I think Wikipedia's markup complexity problems > are not the problems of Wikitext idea. I think WP should concentrate on > improving WP-specific markup (tons of various infoboxes and etc), maybe > move some templates to extensions, instead of changing the wikitext > totally or even worse - hiding it from the user.
Indeed, that's an important piece. We don't our new Visual Editor users scared due to being yelled for some change the editor did for them. > 2) I still beg MW developers to not throw the wikitext idea away! (maybe > if it will prove being useless for ALL (100%) users one day - but I'm > sure this day won't come). Visual editor itself won't harm anything, I > will support it. But I'll say my users: if you want to make small > changes, here is the visual editor. If you want to write something big, > here is the plaintext. If big changes can only be done with plaintext, there's something wrong in your Visual Editor. Also note, doing little plaintext changes expose the users to the syntax, so they would be slowly getting more familiar with it. > 3) I see there are usability talks. Improving usability is good, but > targetting at people who don't want to be "technically proficient" > (emphasis: DON'T WANT TO BE, not just "ARE NOT") and just want to press > a magic button and "that's all" is not good. There are topics like > "internal vs external links, users tend to find one and ignore other" - > that's ridiculous, that's NOT the usability problem. I.e. I think we > shouldn't think of "usability initiatives" as of 100% correct ideas. The Visual Editor is the candy with which you try to engage them. _______________________________________________ Wikitext-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitext-l
