Joe Corneli said: *I like P2PU a lot, but one very technical shortcoming in my view is their wiki (http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/page/12427308/FrontPage, http://wiki.p2pu.org/w/changes). There has been considerable talk about how to replace it, but nothing has happened yet * * * *I wonder (and this is just as a user of both Wikiversity and P2PU) whether it would be possible to create a "P2PU" namespace within Wikiversity, and use that as the P2PU wiki? That would be one way to synergize the two projects, and it *might* be preferable to do that than for P2PU to start their own Mediawiki-based wiki elsewhere. What do you think?*
I think this is a great idea. What can we do to progress the suggestion? I am forwarding it to Stian. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Joe Corneli <[email protected]>wrote: > > I certainly was not aware of, nor made aware of, any place or system > within > > P2PU where a person could actually cite policy to enact changes. > > It's true that they are not particularly driven by policy, and don't > have a particularly clear roadmap (which I think is more a historical > fluke than anything), and so don't have a policy for changing the > roadmap. My personal hope is to help get the roadmap in order, but I > hope that change in that institution is always going to be about what > people *do* and not about policy. > > > If the meaning and nature of "rough consensus" and the specific issue, is > > determined by the existing power structure, and that power structure is > not > > available to be modified, than what you have really is a oligarchic > > benevolence government. > > I don't reify power structures in the way you appear to do. I prefer > to think about things like "what wiki does the organisation use, and > what features does that wiki have?" If I don't like something, I > either look for a solution or else put up with the problem until I'm > totally sick of it. I have enough problems of that nature that I > don't need to create (or debate) made up ones. I mean, the thing is, > suppose it is as you say? What difference does it make to concrete > issues outside of political theory? > > > This isn't ancient Greece, and any system of "We'll listen to > > you as long as we like to but we're not under any requirement to do > anything > > the public wants" isn't an open governance system. > > I can't see any more clear illustration of the difference between > governance and government. At P2PU, there is no transcendent or royal > "we" that has the power to do, or to not do, what "the public" wants. > It's true that there is a division between those who have the power to > write checks and those who don't have that power, but that doesn't > mean that the non-check-writers lack other forms of power. > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > -- -- Leigh Blackall +61(0)404561009 skype - leigh_blackall [email protected] http://leighblackall.blogspot.com http://lifesouth.blogspot.com
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