I write this because Ottava (Jeffrey Peters) is insane, and I don't want people
here to think that he has any actual power or serious influence.
He has long threatened users like this. I have never seen anyone blocked as a
result, except when Ottava was a sysop, which ultimately became a disaster
because of his habit of calling people liars.
After he was desysopped, he then threatened users that stewards would descend
on Wikiversity and block those people who were frustrating Ottava's agenda,
just as here he is threatening removal from the list.
One the other hand, if anyone is removed from this list for behavior here in
this thread, I want to hear about it. I can be reached by reply to the address
for this mail, or through the Wikiversity user email interface, user Abd.
Anyone but Ottava, that is. He is *only* on this list to make trouble. He
doesn't care at all about Wikiversity. There is no WMF policy that he imagines.
I just reviewed the posts here, and Ottava's incursion here was utterly
outrageous. There is no "competition" between Planet Math and Wikiversity or
Wikipedia. See the Planet Math article on Wikipedia, as was suggested.
It appears that content on Planet Match can be reused on Wikiversity if anyone
so desires.
Further, Planet Math appears to have a process that could be a bit more likely
to produce reliable content (in math).
(To answer another question, nobody reliably validates content on Wikiversity.
Wikiversity hosts, in addition to expert content, content written by
*students*. Some are very young. We have "inexplicable physics" pages, so
categorized because a certain WMF board member thought the physics was
idiosyncratic. Perhaps it was, but they were not deleted. Warnings were placed
on them. If a page on Wikiversity has possible educational usage, which could
include the study of error, or, for that matter, fringe science or even
pseudoscience, it will normally be kept. If it's on the edge, it might be
userfied, we readily move pages into user space if there is a question about
appropriateness. Let's say that, as a user, it is far less disconcerting to
find the page I worked on for so many hours has been moved to my user space,
than to find it deleted! Basically, because of Wikiversity traditions and
practices, including the allowance of subpages in mainspace,
conflict on Wikversity over content is rare.)
The original question here, by Robert Dodier, was if a certain kind of math
article would be welcome on Wikiversity, and the immediate answer (by me) was
that it would be likely. Then Joe suggested "as an alternative," Planet Math.
This is a discussion among WMF volunteers, and it could have taken place on,
say, the Wikiversity Colloquium, the same.
If Ottava had jumped in to excoriate Joe, on Wikiversity, as he did here, I'd
be betting that he'd be blocked. And that's on a wiki that rarely blocks anyone
other than vandals.
And I see that the user who asked here has now asked there, on Planet Math. He
is not so likely to meet someone like Ottava there,
Contributing to Wikiversity could be easier, but the user might have more
sympathetic company on Planet Math. All I can say for sure is that the Robert
is welcome on Wikiversity., and likewise Joe Corneli, Steve Foerster, and
Nkansah Rexford. The idea of collaboration with Planet Math is excellent, and
the more that users who really want to build free educational materials
collaborate and support each other, the more difficult it is for the snipers to
pick people off.
Most of us just want to build content, but we do need to ensure that someone is
minding the space, keeping it safe.
I notice that Ottava, in his message, threatened "moderation" because Nkansah
argued with him if he were to "keep it up." Ottava seems to not understand that
he's yelling at a whole group of people, each one of whom is different and each
one of whom is not responsible for what the others do or say. For Ottava, it
doesn't matter. They are the enemy.
Whatever is happening with Ottava, it seems to be getting more pronounced. He
used to be far more cogent.
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell
I'm so excited I can't wait for Now.
>________________________________
> From: Jeffrey Peters <[email protected]>
>To: Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]>
>Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for Wikiversity?
>
>
>
>It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up and I
>will inform the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate the list
>to ensure that it is not used to promote competitors.
>
>
>
>On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>@jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did that
>become advertising?
>>Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal website
>>or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just bringing up an issue
>>and I believe its great considering the matter than banning the matter saying
>>its advertising.
>>"Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of Wikiversity, where
>>else can discussions of this sort be held?
>>I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing lists.
>>Links are posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all Wikimedia
>>mailing list, but how come such links never get categorized as adverts but
>>are used in discussion?
>>Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity?
>>Cmon
>>google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab
>>On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel.
>>>
>>>On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement group.
>>>> Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group? PlanetMath.org is
>>>>> well-established free/open project
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a lot of
>>>>> content to Wikipedia over the years
>>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_Exchange.
>>>>> Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli <[email protected]>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would be interested in
>>>>> >> including in PlanetMath (planetmath.org).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier
>>>>> >> <[email protected]>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> > Hello,
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math problems
>>>>> >> > solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system.
>>>>> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page
>>>>> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would have
>>>>> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code,
>>>>> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable
>>>>> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm
>>>>> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether it
>>>>> >> > is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not OK.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Robert Dodier
>>>>> >> >
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