I sometimes wonder if you are a creation of Ellison's AM and exist only to torture others.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]>wrote: > I write this because Ottava (Jeffrey Peters) is insane, and I don't want > people here to think that he has any actual power or serious influence. > > He has long threatened users like this. I have never seen anyone blocked > as a result, except when Ottava was a sysop, which ultimately became a > disaster because of his habit of calling people liars. > > After he was desysopped, he then threatened users that stewards would > descend on Wikiversity and block those people who were frustrating Ottava's > agenda, just as here he is threatening removal from the list. > > One the other hand, if anyone is removed from this list for behavior here > in this thread, I want to hear about it. I can be reached by reply to the > address for this mail, or through the Wikiversity user email interface, > user Abd. > > Anyone but Ottava, that is. He is *only* on this list to make trouble. He > doesn't care at all about Wikiversity. There is no WMF policy that he > imagines. I just reviewed the posts here, and Ottava's incursion here was > utterly outrageous. There is no "competition" between Planet Math and > Wikiversity or Wikipedia. See the Planet Math article on Wikipedia, as was > suggested. > > It appears that content on Planet Match can be reused on Wikiversity if > anyone so desires. > > Further, Planet Math appears to have a process that could be a bit more > likely to produce reliable content (in math). > > (To answer another question, nobody reliably validates content on > Wikiversity. Wikiversity hosts, in addition to expert content, content > written by *students*. Some are very young. We have "inexplicable physics" > pages, so categorized because a certain WMF board member thought the > physics was idiosyncratic. Perhaps it was, but they were not deleted. > Warnings were placed on them. If a page on Wikiversity has possible > educational usage, which could include the study of error, or, for that > matter, fringe science or even pseudoscience, it will normally be kept. If > it's on the edge, it might be userfied, we readily move pages into user > space if there is a question about appropriateness. Let's say that, as a > user, it is far less disconcerting to find the page I worked on for so many > hours has been moved to my user space, than to find it deleted! Basically, > because of Wikiversity traditions and practices, including the allowance of > subpages in mainspace, conflict on Wikversity over content is rare.) > > The original question here, by Robert Dodier, was if a certain kind of > math article would be welcome on Wikiversity, and the immediate answer (by > me) was that it would be likely. Then Joe suggested "as an alternative," > Planet Math. This is a discussion among WMF volunteers, and it could have > taken place on, say, the Wikiversity Colloquium, the same. > > If Ottava had jumped in to excoriate Joe, on Wikiversity, as he did here, > I'd be betting that he'd be blocked. And that's on a wiki that rarely > blocks anyone other than vandals. > > And I see that the user who asked here has now asked there, on Planet > Math<http://planetmath.org/node/88006>. > He is not so likely to meet someone like Ottava there, > > Contributing to Wikiversity could be easier, but the user might have more > sympathetic company on Planet Math. All I can say for sure is that the > Robert is welcome on Wikiversity., and likewise Joe Corneli, Steve > Foerster, and Nkansah Rexford. The idea of collaboration with Planet Math > is excellent, and the more that users who really want to build free > educational materials collaborate and support each other, the more > difficult it is for the snipers to pick people off. > > Most of us just want to build content, but we do need to ensure that > someone is minding the space, keeping it safe. > > I notice that Ottava, in his message, threatened "moderation" because > Nkansah argued with him if he were to "keep it up." Ottava seems to not > understand that he's yelling at a whole group of people, each one of whom > is different and each one of whom is not responsible for what the others do > or say. For Ottava, it doesn't matter. They are the enemy. > > Whatever is happening with Ottava, it seems to be getting more pronounced. > He used to be far more cogent. > > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell > I'm so excited I can't wait for Now. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Jeffrey Peters <[email protected]> > *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:15 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for > Wikiversity? > > It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up and I > will inform the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate the > list to ensure that it is not used to promote competitors. > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford < > [email protected]> wrote: > > @jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did > that become advertising? > Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal > website or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just bringing up > an issue and I believe its great considering the matter than banning the > matter saying its advertising. > "Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of Wikiversity, > where else can discussions of this sort be held? > I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing lists. > Links are posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all Wikimedia > mailing list, but how come such links never get categorized as adverts but > are used in discussion? > Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity? > Cmon > google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab > On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel. > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement group. > > Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising. > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli <[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group? PlanetMath.org is > >> well-established free/open project > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a lot of > >> content to Wikipedia over the years > >> > >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_Exchange > . > >> Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it. > >> > >> Joe > >> > >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links. > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli < > [email protected]> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would be interested > in > >> >> including in PlanetMath (planetmath.org). > >> >> > >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier > >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > Hello, > >> >> > > >> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math problems > >> >> > solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system. > >> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page > >> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would have > >> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code, > >> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable > >> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm > >> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether it > >> >> > is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not OK. > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question. > >> >> > > >> >> > Robert Dodier > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Wikiversity-l mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikiversity-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikiversity-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >
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