Sure. Allusions to Ellison fit so many situations. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Wjhonson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Will you release this quote under the GPL I would like to use it > elsewhere. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Peters <[email protected]> > To: Abd ulRahman Lomax <[email protected]>; Mailing list for Wikiversity > <[email protected]> > Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 9:06 pm > Subject: Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for > Wikiversity? > > I sometimes wonder if you are a creation of Ellison's AM and exist only > to torture others. > > > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Abd ulRahman Lomax > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I write this because Ottava (Jeffrey Peters) is insane, and I don't >> want people here to think that he has any actual power or serious influence. >> >> He has long threatened users like this. I have never seen anyone >> blocked as a result, except when Ottava was a sysop, which ultimately >> became a disaster because of his habit of calling people liars. >> >> After he was desysopped, he then threatened users that stewards would >> descend on Wikiversity and block those people who were frustrating Ottava's >> agenda, just as here he is threatening removal from the list. >> >> One the other hand, if anyone is removed from this list for behavior >> here in this thread, I want to hear about it. I can be reached by reply to >> the address for this mail, or through the Wikiversity user email interface, >> user Abd. >> >> Anyone but Ottava, that is. He is *only* on this list to make trouble. >> He doesn't care at all about Wikiversity. There is no WMF policy that he >> imagines. I just reviewed the posts here, and Ottava's incursion here was >> utterly outrageous. There is no "competition" between Planet Math and >> Wikiversity or Wikipedia. See the Planet Math article on Wikipedia, as was >> suggested. >> >> It appears that content on Planet Match can be reused on Wikiversity if >> anyone so desires. >> >> Further, Planet Math appears to have a process that could be a bit more >> likely to produce reliable content (in math). >> >> (To answer another question, nobody reliably validates content on >> Wikiversity. Wikiversity hosts, in addition to expert content, content >> written by *students*. Some are very young. We have "inexplicable physics" >> pages, so categorized because a certain WMF board member thought the >> physics was idiosyncratic. Perhaps it was, but they were not deleted. >> Warnings were placed on them. If a page on Wikiversity has possible >> educational usage, which could include the study of error, or, for that >> matter, fringe science or even pseudoscience, it will normally be kept. If >> it's on the edge, it might be userfied, we readily move pages into user >> space if there is a question about appropriateness. Let's say that, as a >> user, it is far less disconcerting to find the page I worked on for so many >> hours has been moved to my user space, than to find it deleted! Basically, >> because of Wikiversity traditions and practices, including the allowance of >> subpages in mainspace, conflict on Wikversity over content is rare.) >> >> The original question here, by Robert Dodier, was if a certain kind of >> math article would be welcome on Wikiversity, and the immediate answer (by >> me) was that it would be likely. Then Joe suggested "as an alternative," >> Planet Math. This is a discussion among WMF volunteers, and it could have >> taken place on, say, the Wikiversity Colloquium, the same. >> >> If Ottava had jumped in to excoriate Joe, on Wikiversity, as he did >> here, I'd be betting that he'd be blocked. And that's on a wiki that rarely >> blocks anyone other than vandals. >> >> And I see that the user who asked here has now asked there, on Planet >> Math <http://planetmath.org/node/88006>. He is not so likely to meet >> someone like Ottava there, >> >> Contributing to Wikiversity could be easier, but the user might have >> more sympathetic company on Planet Math. All I can say for sure is that the >> Robert is welcome on Wikiversity., and likewise Joe Corneli, Steve >> Foerster, and Nkansah Rexford. The idea of collaboration with Planet Math >> is excellent, and the more that users who really want to build free >> educational materials collaborate and support each other, the more >> difficult it is for the snipers to pick people off. >> >> Most of us just want to build content, but we do need to ensure that >> someone is minding the space, keeping it safe. >> >> I notice that Ottava, in his message, threatened "moderation" because >> Nkansah argued with him if he were to "keep it up." Ottava seems to not >> understand that he's yelling at a whole group of people, each one of whom >> is different and each one of whom is not responsible for what the others do >> or say. For Ottava, it doesn't matter. They are the enemy. >> >> Whatever is happening with Ottava, it seems to be getting more >> pronounced. He used to be far more cogent. >> >> Abd ul-Rahman Lomax (413) 584-3151 business (413) 695-7114 cell >> I'm so excited I can't wait for Now. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Jeffrey Peters <[email protected]> >> *To:* Mailing list for Wikiversity <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:15 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Wikiversity-l] Are "solved problems" suitable for >> Wikiversity? >> >> It is a website that isn't Wikimedia. It is a competitor. Keep it up >> and I will inform the main list owners and ask that they strictly moderate >> the list to ensure that it is not used to promote competitors. >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Nkansah Rexford < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> @jeffery, mentioning Planet math here is advertising? Really? When did >> that become advertising? >> Hmmmm, still wondering. Its not as if the link is to Joe's personal >> website or something. Its a website known by many. Joe is just bringing up >> an issue and I believe its great considering the matter than banning the >> matter saying its advertising. >> "Not an advertising group"? Apart from the mailing list of Wikiversity, >> where else can discussions of this sort be held? >> I'm in this mailing list, Wikimania, Wikipedia, and other mailing lists. >> Links are posted to references and stuffs like that. They're all Wikimedia >> mailing list, but how come such links never get categorized as adverts but >> are used in discussion? >> Is this "not advertising group" idea applied to only Wikiversity? >> Cmon >> google.com/+Nkansahrexford | sent from Tab >> On Dec 22, 2013 4:03 PM, "Joe Corneli" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am bringing this to attention in the #wikimedia IRC channel. >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Jeffrey Peters >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Doesn't matter. This is a mailing list, not an advertisement group. >> > Wikimedia mailing lists are not to be used for advertising. >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Joe Corneli <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Jeffrey, are you the admin of this group? PlanetMath.org is >> >> well-established free/open project >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetMath which has contributed a lot of >> >> content to Wikipedia over the years >> >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/PlanetMath_Exchange >> . >> >> Mentioning the project is hardly advertising it. >> >> >> >> Joe >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Jeffrey Peters >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Please don't advertise non-Wikimedia groups/links. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Joe Corneli < >> [email protected]> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> As an alternative, this seems like something we would be interested >> in >> >> >> including in PlanetMath (planetmath.org). >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Robert Dodier >> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > Hello, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I am thinking of setting up one or more pages of math problems >> >> >> > solved by Maxima, a symbolic computation system. >> >> >> > I am imagining that there would be a main page and a page >> >> >> > for each solved problem. Each problem page would have >> >> >> > a brief discussion and then a solution with formulas, code, >> >> >> > and graphics as needed. Is that something that is suitable >> >> >> > for Wikiversity? It seems to be within the educational realm >> >> >> > of Wikiversity, but I couldn't find anything to say whether it >> >> >> > is definitely OK or not OK. It's not a problem if it's not OK. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Thanks for any light you can shed on this question. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Robert Dodier >> >> >> > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> >> > [email protected] >> >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikiversity-l mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikiversity-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing > [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikiversity-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiversity-l > >
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