On 16 Jan 2006 at 19:32, Wayne Johnson wrote:
> At 03:49 PM 1/16/2006, Bernie Cosell typed:
> >Because: 1) not all mail clients [and folk using them] obey the reply-to
> >address, and 2) virtually NO email clients actually display the reply-to
> >address, and so for me, many of my recipients won't have a clue whom the
> >message is actually from [and will likely delete it sight-unseen [e.g.,
> >one of my school email addrs is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> And all of this is too bad. In Eudora one could edit the ini file &
> force the reply to be displayed by telling it which headers you want
> displayed or not & of course if one viewed all the headers as you
> well know the info is there somewhere. ;-) Most people don't know
> that the machine's ip address & name are displayed in the headers either. :-(
It is worse than that. For example, when a friend came to visit a few
years back, he used my ISP dialup to check his email [suitably changing
the SMTP server to use]. He would *NOT* be pleased to have his email
marked as being "from me". I had the same when I was at Virginia Tech
and connected up to their LAN with my laptop -- in fact, I don't even
HAVE an @vt.edu email address, so anything their SMTP server did would be
both a PITA and wrong.
Email displays are cluttered enough without displaying yet more usually-
irrelevant [and unnecessary] headers. Actually what 'machine' are you
talking about? There's no requirement for any machine name or IP address
to appear anywhere in an email message, and different SMTP servers put
*very* different info in the [optional] 'Received' headers they add.
And can Eudora do "Display the reply-to: if it is there, but display the
'From:' if not, unless the message is to a mailing list and the reply-to
is a mailing-list reply-to, and in that case display from: also [and if
it was a submission to a mailing list via one of these hopelessly screwed-
up ISPs, then you're just completely hosed at figuring out who sent the
message].
Also, I believe that "closed" mailing lists [I suspect even this one] key
on "From:" and not "reply-to" [or "sender:"] and so you wouldn't be able
to submit to those mailing lists if you were stuck with this sort of a
loser-of-an-ISP.
Simply put, I think you're wrong: that kind of thing on the part of ISPs
is fundamentally broken, stupid and accomplishes nothing [other than
pissing off your customers], and using "reply-to" is a just-plain
unacceptable workaround. When my old ISP tried to do that kind of thing,
I changed ISPs...
BTW, two other statements by you in other messages on this thread:
1) you claimed "most ISPs" do this -- I think you're 100% wrong. An
ISP that does this kind of thing is very much the exception, and
probably a relatively small, basically unclued ISP. Most ISPs try
pretty hard to get more money from commercial customers [and for
sure they're going to want their email to go out as "@theircompany.com"
and also do personal web pages and personal domains. Again, they're
hardly going to make friends when they have a customer with "@myname.org"
but refuse to let them send out email using that domain.
2) You mentioned something about the 'envelope address' -- that has nothing
to do with anything. We're not talking about ISPs changing the SMTP
MAIL FROM: info [which shows up as the 'Return-path:' header] but with
messing with the actual "From:" header *IN* the message
/Bernie\
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