On Sunday 08 April 2001 21:13, you wrote:
> Although I use Red Hat, I don't use the Red Hat kernel unless I
> specifically need one of their mods.  I use a stock generic kernel from
> kernel.org.
>
> Unless you need  some specific functionality in the mdk kernel, get the
> stock kernel.  Then you have no problems with w4l support, and many
> other patches work better as well.
>
> Unfortunately, linux requires a lot more nuts and bolts knowledge than
> windows; it's a better system but the learning curve is steeper.
> Compiling a custom kernel is what gives linux its power; it also is
> technically more demanding than just sticking in the CD.....

I think that all of this totally misses the point. 

Let's ask, what is the purpose of a product like win4lin. What win4lin is 
good for is a transitional product for people moving from windows to linux. 

A new person comes to linux. They install a nice simple mandrake install. 
Mandrake has all the nice features included that they want. It works. Now 
they want to install win4lin to run a couple of win programs they still need. 

Uh oh, not so simple. They have to either dig up the mods to use the custom 
mandrake kernel which is working so well or they have to get a kernel.org 
kernel and take a step back on features until they figure out how to patch in 
rieserfs or automount or supermount or whatever they call it. 

It's worth remembering that some of us out here just use linux as it's cheap 
and stable. While I don't mind getting into the nuts and bolts now and then, 
I have a lot of work to do on the PC and limitted time. I'm not a programmer 
and these things take a lot of time for me - time I might not have. 

Tho I have customized this box a bit, the other two machines have just had 
the cd stuck in and that's about it. Mandrake generally installs a nice 
simple workstation install without any hassle. I would also like to install 
win4lin without much hassle. I CAN install vmware without any hassle. 

I still think win4lin is a better product for my needs and I'm willing to pay 
for it if I can get a nice easy install on a common linux product. The 
question is - is win4lin v3.0 going to be easy to install. Will it work on 
kernel 2.4... will it work on kernel 2.4.24??? Will it be obsolete for kernel 
3.0??? Will it be up to version 9.0 by then?

I guess this forced obsolescence has caused me to lose some faith in the 
product. 

tim
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