I know that Freedom Scientific bashing has been in vogue over the last few
years. They are a commercial company and do not appear to have always
unstinctingly operate in their customers best interests. Nevertheless I have
been, in practice, reliant on their implementations of Jaws since 2006.  

As, with others,  I have resented the annual upgrage fee I have tried to
make the break firstly with experimenting with exclusive use of NVDA on
Windows, and then secondly by purchasing an iMac for voiceover usage.  Sadly
in both circumstances I have had to return to windows and Jaws for serious
Office productivity taks. When the pressure is on, and the chips are down,
jaws is what I rely upon. I now conclude that in order to retain this
productivity edge the yearly Upgrade cost for Jaws  is sadly the price I
have to pay. There is no feasible way I could nowadays, for example , rely
upon Jaws 11, NVDA or voiceover.

I cannot comment on Window eyes as I have never used it.
Genrally though, with some exceptions, Jaws continues to provide the maximum
accessibility for me.
Whilst if I had to, I could survive without forking out for Jaws every year,
and use NVDA, I would need at least a demo copy of Jaws to assist me with
difficult access.

The lack of a virtual screen cursor in NVDA means that there are some
situations where only Jaws wil do.

There are a few happy circumstances where NVDA will outperform Jaws, for
example in gaining limited access to the generally inaccessible Calibre
Ebook software, but these are the exception rather than the rule.
Where access is difficult only Jaws can often solve problems.
For example the other week I had an inaccessible interface to deal with ,
The Adobe Music Importer for the Amazon cloud Player.
Using Virtual OCR, and then  reviewing the results with the Jaws cursor and
performing virtual mouse clicks I was able to get some functionality out of
a program which would have been impossible with NVDA or Voiceover on the
Mac. It was clunky, requiring me to run OCR multiple  times as the screen
was updated but I got it to work after a fashion.
More importanly, For Office productivity,  Jaws and Microsoft Office remains
the only serious option for me.
I am managing to stick with Office 2003 but I am heavily reliant on Jaws for
table management,  header and style management, index and content creation
and so on.
I also have become increasingly reliant on the Jaws text Analyser tool over
the last 24 months to produce professional looking output. I know of no
screen reader which provides equivalent text analysis functionality, though
it is possible Window Eyes does. Certainly NVDA and voiceover on the Mac do
not cut the mustard here. It was not until I started to use Text analyser a
couple of years ago that I realised the formatting and presentational errors
I was creating.  My reliance on sighted proof reading has plummetted since I
started utilising this and other tools.

A similar experience is provided on the web.  Whilst NVDA and Voiceover
provide feasible web access, and occasionally outperform Jaws, in genral
only Jaws will do.

The bafflingly complicated and restricted text selection  limtations of
Safari with Voiceover make it impractical for rapid academic searches. Some
elements, including some headers are impossible to select and copy with
Voiceover except by using last phrase copied. It is impossible to copy more
than a paragraph because of the text interactional limits unless you want to
select and copy the entire web page. I could survive with various strategies
with Safari and Voiceover but it just takes too much time to flexibly
extract the content of web pages I need. NVDA is better and sometimes more
stable but I find the fasterst browsing experience remains with jaws.

I invested a lot of time looking at the potential of NVDA and voiceover as
alternatives to Jaws. In practice still I play with Voiceover and NVDA, but
work with Jaws. I wish it were not so and that the fre screen reading
alternatives provided feasible office comdpetition that I could rely upon.
At the moment they do not. Nobody has ever been able to demonstrate to me
that the Mac currently a viable serious Office platform  for a blind user,
though some limited functionality is certainly possible if your needs are
not that great and you are prepared to work at it. 
I saw only yesterday somebody trying to defend Office functionality on the
mac by saying she simply bans people from sending table formatted matgerial
to her.  This is not a serious  response and would be considered eccentric
and probelmatic in most of the jobs I have done over the years.  It is only
a feasible response if you want to remain a non professinal amateur dabbling
on the fringes of access.  A strategy reliant on instructing the Department
of Health not to use tables in the material they sent to me when I was an
NHS Manager  is so absurd as to be ridiculous.
In practice whilst using NVDA on a Windows platform is more feasible than
voiceover on the Mac for office usage, it also lacks some crucial tools. 

David Griffith







-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: 06 April 2013 02:54
To: Windows Access; Share Your Enthusiasm!
Subject: The Word Is Out!

Okay, I'm not afraid whatever to admit if I'm wrong and I certainly have
been wrong when it comes to good Screen Reading software, JAWS and
Window-Eyes.

I've been using JAWS 13.0 for the last 4 weeks or so and - in my opinion -
accessibility to Windows software thanks to JAWS blows GW Micro away and
that's a shame as Window-Eyes is far behind in several crucial areas.

the most obvious is the Internet browsing facilities, and another is
training material - material to help new and old users alike - become
familiar with the Screen Reader and associated Windows Applications,
concepts etc.

Most people on list would know what I'm talking about so I needen't say any
more but I will say that I've decided to put my money where my mouth is, I
ordered JAWS yesterday.



**********

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589



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