On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 1:45 AM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Kevan Miller <kevan.mil...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 2012, at 12:15 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 2:42 AM, Ciprian Mocanu <c...@n-side.com> wrote: > >> > >>> +1 to graduate. > >>> > >>> I apologise for not tracking the discussions too close, but I'd like to > >>> know what are the most critical points in which help is needed. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Ciprian > >>> > >>> > >> Looks like we got good feedback, should we start a graduation vote ? > > > > This is probably the only negative comment that I've seen about Apache > Wink graduating: > > Just for the record those weren't intended as negative comments. It > was a discussion about the state of Wink and no one was really saying > much real so i told it like i saw it and offered some suggestion on > what i thought could be done to help. > > > > > On Jan 13, 2012, at 4:18 AM, ant elder wrote: > > > >> Active committers in the last six months shows just two: > >> > http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713&path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink > >> (and one of those has only done a single commit), and there's no other > >> active on the dev list that i could see, is there other activity > >> somewhere I'm missing? I don't want to see Wink retired either but > >> that doesn't look like enough activity to sustain a TLP. > >> > >> Starting the JAX-RS 2.0 work seems like a good idea to try to attract > >> new people, why not try that for a while? > > > > I don't recall ever seeing any real discussion of Ant's questions. > Answers can be "no longer true", "true, but ...", etc. But I, for one, > think they should be responded to. Did I miss the discussion? > > > > To be clear -- I really want to see Wink graduate. And I really want to > see Wink as a TLP. However, I have to confess that Ant's questions do raise > concerns that merit consideration. > > > > and I don't think the comments did ever get much consideration or > discussion, and they still continue - in the last three months there's > now just been a single committer. User patches like > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/WINK-363 sit there for months > without getting applied. It looks to me like most times that user > patches get applied is just when a graduation discussion comes up so i > worry that if Wink graduates that motivation will be gone and patches > could get totally ignored. IMHO given the low activity anyone who > contributes even a small patch should be offered committership as > thats the type of thing that could help rejuvenate the project but > there hasn't been a new committer made for yonks. > > For the record, I didn't see the time WINK-363 was created but tried to apply the patch right away when I saw the ping from Michael, and also helped getting a release as he wants to fix some build issues in a dependent project in Eclipse. And I agree with your comment about committership as well. > There isn't any real development going on, the road map and JAX-RS 2.0 > keeps getting mentioned as something that might attract people to help > but no one has done any code at all to start that work. - and it > should be relatively easy to make a start on 2.0 as the main change in > 2.0 is the new client interfaces and Wink already has client support > so its just some simple adapter code for that to work with the new > interfaces, and doing that would be better at attracting people than > just talking about it on the ML. > > I guess the issue is that we are all really just independent contributors here, with only some availability, and we don't really have any organization with salaried employees devoting their time to the project. > As i said last time - I don't really see the problem with just > letting Wink keep incubating till they attract more active committers, > but if theres no appetite for that then I expect a 4 or 5 person PMC > could be got together from all the Incubator PMC members and mentors > subscribed to the dev list which could make a viable TLP PMC. Apache > Steve wasn't particularly active either and that skipped incubation > altogether. > > ...ant > I really don't see what we will be "learning" in the incubator if we stay much more, and it seems that there is a push from IPMC to get podlings graduating. I was thinking more around what you mentioned as the second option, where we could get a 4 or 5 PMC members for the new and I assume viable TLP. -- Luciano Resende http://people.apache.org/~lresende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/
