[Winona Online Democracy] Thanks Duane, Joe, Phil and others for your thoughtful comments and information. Indeed, this is a matter for the National Forum and I respectfully ask that the discussion continue there and appreciate your recognition of the issue as more appropriate for that arena!
Kathy Seifert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane M. Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "National Forum - Winona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 5:05 AM Subject: Re: [National] RE: [Winona] Krage/drug problems > [Winona Online Democracy] > > I agree that this issue is a national one. Over the years I have heard that > one reason to oppose decriminalization was that marijuana was a gateway > drug. Thus, went the argument, if we permit marijuana it will lead to much > more dangerous drugs. The answer to that argument is that there is no > imperical proof that a majority of pot smokers go on to more dangerous > drugs. In fact, the vast majority of pot smokers do not use any more > serious drugs. The second argument is that alcohol and cigarettes are also > gateway drugs that lead to more serious drug use. Thirdly, the logic is > flawed. It posits that we should not do what we know is right today, for > fear that we will be unable to resist what is wrong tomorrow. > > One of the problems with dealing sensibly with marijuana is that there has > never been a good scientific study of a controlled group of marijuana users. > With the law in place, it would be against the law to conduct such research. > Thus, we really don't know the effects of using marijuana, long term or > short term. > > The law enforcement community lives off the drug war. They get to > confiscate property of drug law violators when arrested (they don't have to > wait for convictions). The property including money, jewels, cars etc. can > be sold and the proceeds kept by the law enforcement unit that does the > arresting. This is a strong incentive for law enforcement wrongdoing. I do > not wish to imply that all law enforcement bodies make arrests simply to get > possession of valuable goods, but the incentive is there and shouldn't be. > All confiscated property should be placed in county or state budgets to be > dealt with as any other asset. > > A high percentage of detective work, survellaince, investigations, and other > expensive police work involves the war on drugs. There swat teams used to > break into homes suspected of housing drugs and dealers. This is pretty > heady wine for law enforcement to deal with. It reminds me of the glorious > work of law enforcement during the prohibition era. When prohibition ended, > the bootleggers went out of business or moved on to other pursuits. It is a > lesson we have found it hard to believe. > Not only did bootleggers have to shift to other pursuits, but so did much of > law enforcement and corrections. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phil Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "National Forum - Winona" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 08:04 > Subject: [National] RE: [Winona] Krage/drug problems > > > > > > [Winona - National Forum] > > > > John Dollimore raises a very important issue: the criminalization of > drugs - > > one which we will not solve with a few dozen posts on WOD - but > nevertheless > > one that deserves attention. It is important because it ripples through > so > > many parts of our society and because it is "taboo" in many circles to > even > > discuss it rationally. Trying to speak sanely and logically about > > decriminalizing drugs is often seen as akin to murdering your grandmother > or > > prostituting your children. Yet there are some compelling arguments for > > considering some of the proposals John cites. It is mostly in the hands > of > > the State and the Federal governments, who have the laws governing such > > things - not local cities like Winona. If we are to pursue the topic I > > suggest we take it to the National Forum, unless there are specific things > > folks in Winona can do to affect changes. > > > > To cite but one example, it is fairly well understood that both alcohol > and > > tobacco contribute far more to health problems and mortality than > marijuana, > > yet the first two are legal and marijuana is not. When I was in high > school > > (Winona Senior High, class of 1971) we conducted an informal poll of our > > classmates and found at least 1 in 3 had smoked marijuana. During the > same > > time frame there was at least one spectacular car crash, with alcohol a > > factor, causing the deaths of three high school students. It would be > easy > > to follow my classmates (now all approaching 50) and find the health > effects > > of smoking. I would challenge anyone to find a serious health or social > > problem connected to marijuana use compared to the alcohol and tobacco. > > > > - Phil Carlson, Mpls > > > > P.S. I was one of the students who smoked marijuana, and haven't for over > 30 > > years for the same reasons I drink moderately and don't smoke - it isn't > > good for me. But these were decisions reached by experience and reason, > > rather than fear, superstition, and threats. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. 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