[Winona Online Democracy]
Apparently I have not been clear enough in
re-stating the rules. Please pay special attention to rules number 4 and
5.
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regional issues that impact the quality of life in the greater Winona
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The issue of annexation appears to be one about
which there is a great deal of emotion from all sides. I am concerned
about how all of this emotion is impacting the discussion (as I have often been
when the conflict has been high). I would invite you all to join me
in a discussion thread to examine more specifically the issue of civility online
and how to bring members' expectations and behavior onto the same
page.
Kathy Seifert
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Winona] Wilson
Annexation
> [Winona Online Democracy]
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2004,
at 12:16, Eric Sorensen wrote:
>
> > In summary, Turek offers
nothing to the debate except a clear vision
> > of her personal bias.
She is not a citizen of the City of Winona and
> > cannot vote here. I
guess that frustrates her. Perhaps, she would
> > consider moving to
Winona to have that privilege. And to personal
> > performance
reviews, I hope that someone at WinonaHealth reviews her
> > personal
use of their computers.
> >
> > Finally, WOD leaders need to
control their system and its usage. I
> > read somewhere a concern
with Steve Schield's letters. How about
> > Turek's personal attacks?
How about we go back to a factual debate?
>
> You are right; Janice
is not a citizen of Winona. However I am. Does
> that make my opinion
more important? I hope not, because I was taught
> in Winona's schools
that equality is something Americans are proud of.
> I would hate to see
that Conservative American value thwarted for
> minuscule annexation
debate. If citizenship were a prerequisite for
> participation in the
debates of various issues in the process than I
> can guarantee one
thing: The political debate would stagnant, quickly.
>
> I have
been a citizen for more than 15 years and I have been watching
> in
dismay as the city again acts in a manner that is guaranteed to get
> it
sued.
>
> I can rattle off a list of 500 items that need
improvement in the city
> of Winona yet when the chips are down the city
choses to waste its
> money on lawsuits that the city will not win rather
than spending the
> money in a fiscally reasonable way.
>
>
> I will provide a brief list for the last several years:
> 1)
Secret meetings about Wal Mart with a Wal Mart representative which
>
were a blatant violation of the MN open meeting law. Sorry, the
>
official explanation still does not hold when held up to the light of
>
the law.
> 2) The stupid morality law suits and appeals over the existence
of the
> porn store and attempts to create a legal monopoly.
> 3) A
conflict of interest scandal months back that involved
>
environmental compliance problems and the enforcement.
>
> Heck,
getting sued, settling issues, or outright acting illegally seems
> to be
a Winona government past time.
>
> 1) "Sheriff" Brand firing
political opponents and costing the county
> money when it settled both
cases.
> 2) School board holding a secret session for non-secret
issues
> 3) School board conferring with email exchanges
inappropriately
>
> I am sure if I went through the docket and
newspapers I could find
> more, but my point should be apparent.
>
> --
>
> I also find your comments adding nothing to the
debate. In fact, it
> shows exactly what others have been stating about
the city government's
> actions in this annexation process to be true. I
also find it
> interesting that you have declined to participate in this
debate until
> now and when you do, it ...
>
> Perhaps you
should also read my comments about Steve Schild's "paper"
> and recognise
that this is nothing more than an opinion of one man. It
> is not the
word of god that you and others seemingly make it out to be.
>
> I
find it odd that you vehemently protest WOD's usage for one
>
questionable email. If the same logic where applied to Musims...
>
Iraqis... Christians... or city government officials... than it would
>
be easy to say all members of these groups are corrupt.
>
>
********************************************
> David Dittmann
>
> Support equal rights, open the bike path up to all automobiles, not
> just automobiles driven by the sheriff's department.
>
>
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