[Winona Online Democracy] This is a very unfair comment. Employers are the only reason there is health insurance available for the majority of the people in the US.
You seem to fail to comprehend that people do hire for productivity. Those who produce a profit for their employer are in demand. THEY GET RAISES for helping their employer to produce more than they cost. We and employers like Paul respect our people, but need productivity to reward. Not the lowest cost per hour workers. tom severson -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of terri hyle Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Winona] Immigration [Winona Online Democracy] QUOTE: "2) Employers agree that for the first five years they will guarantee full financial support as their sponsor "should the individual need it". This would include health care." End QUOTE Nice idea, Paul, but since we can't get employers to offer health care to American citizen employees, how is that going to work? The real advantage to employers in hiring illegal immigrants is that they can and do pay lower wages, no benefits, and don't have to worry about niceties such as fair labor practices, safety in the workplace, overtime, etc. I agree that one of the keys is to fine employers. But that's only one key. I think we also need to address the economic (and poltical) realities existing in many of the countries from which people immigrate to the US. After all Mexico's most profitable export is illegal immigrants to the US, who send back more dollars than Mexico earns with any other export. Terri Hyle >From: "Paul Double" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Online Democracy" <[email protected]> >Subject: [Winona] Immigration >Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:30:42 -0500 > >[Winona Online Democracy] > >Let's solve the sole source of the illegal immigration problem. Employer's >who knowingly hire illegal workers. If we would fine them $3.00 per hour >times 40 hours a week time 5 years or $31,200 for "each" illegal they >knowingly hire the problem would diminish. Then let's index that number to >the CPI so that there is no economic incentive for employers to ever break >the law. > >Then let's offer anyone half of the fine if they report an illegal hire and >it is proven correct. > >Needless to say, I think the problem would be solved quickly. > >1) Then let's offer employers the ability to sponsor immigrants following >the practice of the fifties. > >2) Employers agree that for the first five years they will guarantee full >financial support as their sponsor "should the individual need it". This >would include health care. > >3) They agree to see that they learn to write and speak English, understand >basic U.S. History and agree to assist them in obtaining full U.S. >Citizenship in the fifth year. > >4) Impose a law that U.S. Citizenship by birth right is only granted when >their parents have become U.S. Citizens. However, U.S. Citizenship can be >achieved by the naturalization process by anyone who passes the >requirements >of (3). > >If there is the will there is a way. > >Paul Double > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact >page at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona Any problems or suggestions can be directed to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.2/314 - Release Date: 4/16/2006 _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona Any problems or suggestions can be directed to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org
