no, you're correct about the practical and manageable aspects for
widescale use. We currently do not actively filter classroom vs regular
/ student vs faculty wireless. However we are planning to apply
packetshaping rules to the wireless vlans as our method of control.
Otherwise it's at the discretion of the instructor to police their
classroom.
-Justin
Patrick Goggins wrote:
Something that we are implementing to provide this functionality is by
separating out by ssid university owned systems from personally owned
equipment. While it doesn't lockout by room it does still enable wireless for
instructors.
~Patrick
On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Peter P Morrissey"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks. I think I understand that, and I do think the Aruba system has some
impressive features.
I’m just trying to make the point that while it appears to supply some of the
essential building blocks, it also appears to lack the critical pieces for
provisioning in a way that is practical and manageable. If you are saying you
have actually solved this problem using Aruba then I stand corrected.
Peter M.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Hao
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:11 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
aruba can identify roles based on radius/groups and you can assign policies
using the aruba Policy enforcement firewall to limit access to certain
roles/ssids/profiles etc. you may want to review their documentation to get
more detail on these features
-Justin
Peter P Morrissey wrote:
How are you using Aruba to know what students to keep off and when?
Peter M.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:50 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
We use Aruba here, so like Chris Denver said, it’s not a problem to just do it
through the equipment. But if you have another vendor - what about
programming the captive portal page to email the professors about who logged
into the page and put a disclaimer on the page that says that all logins are
reviewed by the professor. This way you can satisfy both those professors who
want access and those who don’t. If I were a student, I sure wouldn’t want my
logins showing up on the professors email. You could also use your syslogs to
write a webpage that shows real time which people are logged in.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ryan Holland
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:15 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
Nicholas,
While I personally feel this is more of a behavioral issue to solve opposed to
a technical one, one option would be to install APs in the restricted
classrooms broadcasting the same ESSID as you do outside the classroom. This
would (likely) be the strongest available signal for the students, and their
device(s) would (likely) connect to these APs. You could invoke specific
firewall policies for users on these APs to be different. For example, you
could redirect all traffic to a captive portal instructing them that use of
wireless during class is prohibited . . . or something to that effect.
Just an idea.
------------------
Ryan Holland
Network Engineer, Wireless
CIO - Infrastructure
614-292-9906 <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Urrea, Nick wrote:
I’m compiling research to give to our Faculty Technology Committee.
My question is has anybody successfully implemented a solution that restricts
access to wireless internet in classrooms?
Also if you have tried and were not successful in restricting wireless access
in classrooms let me know. Why didn’t the solution work.
No opinions please about how students can just go buy a mobile broadband card
from a cellular carrier, or installing microwaves in the classrooms, or that
teaching techniques should improve.
----
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Information Technology
UC Hastings College of the Law
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On Dec 2, 2009, at 3:56 PM, "Peter P Morrissey"
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Thanks. I think I understand that, and I do think the Aruba system has some
impressive features.
I’m just trying to make the point that while it appears to supply some of the
essential building blocks, it also appears to lack the critical pieces for
provisioning in a way that is practical and manageable. If you are saying you
have actually solved this problem using Aruba then I stand corrected.
Peter M.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Hao
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:11 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
aruba can identify roles based on radius/groups and you can assign policies
using the aruba Policy enforcement firewall to limit access to certain
roles/ssids/profiles etc. you may want to review their documentation to get
more detail on these features
-Justin
Peter P Morrissey wrote:
How are you using Aruba to know what students to keep off and when?
Peter M.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:50 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
We use Aruba here, so like Chris Denver said, it’s not a problem to just do it
through the equipment. But if you have another vendor - what about
programming the captive portal page to email the professors about who logged
into the page and put a disclaimer on the page that says that all logins are
reviewed by the professor. This way you can satisfy both those professors who
want access and those who don’t. If I were a student, I sure wouldn’t want my
logins showing up on the professors email. You could also use your syslogs to
write a webpage that shows real time which people are logged in.
From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
[<mailto:[email protected]>mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Ryan Holland
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:15 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Restricting of wireless access in classrooms
Nicholas,
While I personally feel this is more of a behavioral issue to solve opposed to
a technical one, one option would be to install APs in the restricted
classrooms broadcasting the same ESSID as you do outside the classroom. This
would (likely) be the strongest available signal for the students, and their
device(s) would (likely) connect to these APs. You could invoke specific
firewall policies for users on these APs to be different. For example, you
could redirect all traffic to a captive portal instructing them that use of
wireless during class is prohibited . . . or something to that effect.
Just an idea.
------------------
Ryan Holland
Network Engineer, Wireless
CIO - Infrastructure
614-292-9906 <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
On Dec 2, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Urrea, Nick wrote:
I’m compiling research to give to our Faculty Technology Committee.
My question is has anybody successfully implemented a solution that restricts
access to wireless internet in classrooms?
Also if you have tried and were not successful in restricting wireless access
in classrooms let me know. Why didn’t the solution work.
No opinions please about how students can just go buy a mobile broadband card
from a cellular carrier, or installing microwaves in the classrooms, or that
teaching techniques should improve.
----
Nicholas Urrea
Information Technology
UC Hastings College of the Law
<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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