Hi Marcus, hmmm ...., you have a good point. However, we have tried to isolate the server connection (Moodle server) using wired connections at the same moment. Our conclusion is that the access points can't manage so many connections at the same time.
Thanks! Luis Fernando ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Luis Fernando Valverde Director de Tecnología de Información y Comunicaciones INCAE Business School Tel: 506+ 24 37 23 38 www.incae.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Marcus Burton < marcus.bur...@peachtreewireless.com> wrote: > Can you elaborate on the problem that you described as "response time > behaves very slowly for several minutes, until the traffic network > stabilizes and reaches a better performance." I agree that this is probably > a saturated RF link, but I'm curious if the slow responses are during or > after authentication (possibly an authentication server utilization > problem?). > > Marcus Burton, CWNP > > > > > I agree with Joel, 80-100 users per AP is a bit much on an AP. What's the > ratio of 2.4 GHz to 5 GHz? I'm not familiar with the 1240 (have a couple > but none of them work), do they have any smartRF built in (can they "nudge" > dual band clients to 5 GHz)? > > -- > Heath Barnhart, CCNA > Information Systems Services > Washburn University > Topeka, KS 66621 > > On 11/10/2011 11:30 AM, Coehoorn, Joel wrote: > Your problem is probably air time density. > > The issue is that you only have 3 non-overlapping channels to work with in > the 2.4Ghz space, most users won't have 5Ghz-capable laptops, each channel > only supports about 25 clients from a practical standpoint, each access > point is likely only listening on one specific channel, and you have up to > 400 users trying to connect all at about the same time. That's just not > going to work. Things get better a few minutes after a class starts > because some students will just give up, and most others will settle down > to only use air time only in short bursts, as they load and then pause to > read pages. > > The typical solution is turning down the transmit power, such that signal > for each access point does not leave it's own classroom, and then add > access points to each classroom such that you're listening on more of the > available channels within the rooms. The goal is to reduce the cell size > (and therefore number of clients) served by each access point, and increase > the available channels. You can do this by adding access points, or by > getting single access points with multiple independent radios that are > capable of using the additional channels simultaneously. > > Even here, you'll likely still have issues as many of the laptops will not > turn down power to their own radios and still clutter up the air space. It > would be like trying to listen to the professor if most students in the > classroom were also having conversations among each other at their normal > speaking volume. > > As for distributing traffic, there are different load-balancing options > out there depending on your vendor. But even with generic thick access > points you'll see quite of bit of load balancing happens naturally, without > you having to do anything special so encourage it. You ought to be able to > just add the access points without needing to do much of anything for load > balancing. > > Joel Coehoorn > IT Director > York College > 402.363.5603 > > > > On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Ethan Sommer <somm...@gac.edu> wrote: > With almost any manufacturer you can set a max number of clients per > radio. You could set the max per radio to 25ish and put (capacity of > classroom/25) APs per classroom. > > > > On 11/10/2011 10:54 AM, Luis Fernando Valverde wrote: > Hello, > > we have four adjacent classrooms (two in front of two and 5 meters between > each one) with capacity to 80-100 students each one. Each classroom has > its own Cisco Aironet 1240 AG Access Point. > > When all the students inside the classroom connect their computers to the > wireless network, response time behaves very slowly for several minutes, > until the traffic network stabilizes and reaches a better performance. We > have tested other AP including Ruckus (802.11 b/g/n) and the problem > remains. > > We could install two AP by classroom, but we would need to distribute the > connections between each one. Does someone know a solution without having > to use different SSIDs to distribute traffic among multiple access points? > Does someone have any suggestion to solve this issue, including other > access point manufacturer? > > Any comment is welcome. > > Thanks, > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Luis Fernando Valverde > Director de Tecnología de Información y Comunicaciones > INCAE Business School > Tel: 506+ 24 37 23 38 > www.incae.edu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > -- > Ethan Sommer > Associate Director of Core Services > Gustavus Technology Services > somm...@gustavus.edu > 507-933-7042 > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
