Don't forget.

Meraki is Cisco.

They bought them, but running them as an independent unit.

Cisco also has they're Flex controller, which is a similar model.

I haven't seen any other vendor with Aerohive's model.  I haven't used it,
just sat through a few sales presentations.  But from what I've seen, it's
very interesting.

It's not as cut and dried as it was 1 year ago.  The Thick/Thin models
are merging in more ways than one.

Mike



On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]> wrote:

>  I will second that emotion. Though we are a large Cisco controller-based
> environment, we run an extremely successful Meraki deployment in London:
> http://www.meraki.com/customers/higher-education/syracuse-university-london
>
>
>  and I also have a small Aerohive deployment in play.
>
>  I would recommend that anyone give either solution as much consideration
> as any of the controller-based solutions, to include a legitimate trial.
> I'd also not get so hung up on white papers that tout AP performance and
> seriously consider whether the system management and vendor support
> mechanisms is effective for your own particular needs.
>
>
>  -Lee
>
>
>  *Lee H. Badman*
> Network Architect/Wireless TME
> ITS, Syracuse University
> 315.443.3003
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> [email protected]] on behalf of Hall, Rand [
> [email protected]]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:10 AM
>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Distributed WiFi model - Thin vs Thick
> debate revisited
>
>   Yes, I think there's a mistaken impression about the Aerohives and
> Merakis out there. Some of it is FUD from the big iron vendors. Some of it
> is old-timers like me questioning the over-hyped magic cloud.
>
>  The stuff works. Anyone looking to move off their current solution
> should take a look. It's not perfect, but neither is the establishment.
>
>  Rand
>
>  P.S. A little de-FUD if you want it: http://www.meraki.com/trust/#oob
>
>
>
>
> Rand
>
> Rand P. Hall
> Director, Network Services                 askIT!
> Merrimack College
> 978-837-3532
> [email protected]
>
>  If I had an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining
> the problem and one minute finding solutions. – Einstein
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>  With the aerohive solution this is done thru cooperative control
>> amongst the aps that are RF neighbors with each other.  Here is article
>> that discusses the protocols that aerohive uses to accomplish this.****
>>
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/wi-fi-that-wont-die/cooperative-control-part-3
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
>> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Watters, John
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2013 11:55 AM
>>
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Distributed WiFi model - Thin vs Thick
>> debate revisited****
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What happens to client roaming, RF balancing, and channel selection
>> without a controller-based architecture?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> If you use the Aruba Airwave AMP management platform, it should be able
>> to keep your autonomous APs in sync.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> -jcw
>> [image: cid:[email protected]]****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *
>> *
>>
>> John Watters                           The University of Alabama****
>>
>>                                                 Office of Information
>> Technology****
>>
>>                                                 205-348-3992****
>>
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>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
>> mailto:[email protected]<[email protected]>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2013 10:50 AM
>> *To:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Distributed WiFi model - Thin vs Thick
>> debate revisited****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What types of controller issues are you seeing that you hope to be fixed
>> with a controller-less architecture?****
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Tim Cappalli*, *Network Engineer
>> LTS | Brandeis University
>> x67149 | (617) 701-7149
>> [email protected]****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Barros, Jacob <[email protected]>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Hello all.  We are seriously considering replacing our Aruba
>> infrastructure in favor of a distributed model.  We are having controller
>> issues this academic year and the appeal of a controller-less model is
>> strong. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It feels like I am coming full circle to where I was six years ago.
>>  Though I know its not exactly the same, I went back to the thin vs thick
>> debates in the archives.  A few things stood out to me as considerations:
>>  One concern was vendor longevity.  Another was whether or not the thick AP
>> model would be able to keep up with the controller based architecture.  An
>> advantage of the controller based architecture that stood out to me was
>> central processing, specifically regarding key exchange.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Are these points still valid concerns?  If your administration asked you
>> to consider a distributed architecture, what other (vendor-neutral)
>> concerns would you have?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks, in advance, for your opinions!****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jake Barros  |  Network Administrator  |  Office of Information Technology
>> ****
>>
>> Grace College and Seminary  |  Winona Lake, IN  |  574.372.5100 x6178****
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