I don't want to hijack this discussion, and I'll apologize now for it, but I do have an eduroam question. How resource intensive is it to implement and maintain an eduroam deployment? We are a smaller institution, but we've had a handful of requests from faculty members to adopt eduroam. There is some hesitation because we don't want to invest a whole lot of time to maintain a service that may get used by 2 or 3 people per semester.
Respectfully, Matthew "Will" Williams Assistant Director, Networking Bucknell University 570.577.1491 On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]> wrote: > Nothing busted, but also not buying it. **** > > ** ** > > Every environment is different, every organization’s IT offerings are > marketed a different way, and I’m not accepting analysis from afar that > there is no value in our branding. I’d caution against such a blanket > dismissal of how every institution that values their own network name is > somehow wrong. You may have multiple SSIDs with names that not only mean > something singularly, but also in relation to each other. And to “simply” > change, at least for us, means a lot of user education, document changing, > and a move to something that quite honestly feels kinda sterile.**** > > ** ** > > I am a bit amused by what borders on what seems to me to be an almost > cult-like mentality that sometimes enters into these Eduroam discussions, > or the willingness to accept that because it’s what is driven by European > institutions that no one here should question the philosophy. It’s all just > good discussion, and why there has to be a right or wrong to it (Go to > Eduroam SSID makes you right, or don’t and be wrong) is beyond me.**** > > ** ** > > We’re living up to our end of the Eduroam agreement, but also aren’t > looking for a religion lesson.**** > > ** ** > > Respectfully-**** > > ** ** > > Lee Badman**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Hanset, Philippe C > *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 3:40 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam rollout- one more time**** > > ** ** > > Lee, **** > > ** ** > > I hate to bust your identity pride ;-) but...**** > > In my experience the only people that care about the SSID names are the IT > Crowd and some of the University administrators.**** > > (when will we have TV series on University Administrators?)**** > > ** ** > > Users just want something that works...they don't even look at SSIDs these > days.**** > > ** ** > > Now, if like Birthday Cards, we start having singing SSIDs...that might be > a different story!**** > > ** ** > > Philippe**** > > ** ** > > Philippe Hanset**** > > www.eduroam.us**** > > ** ** > > On Nov 1, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Lee H Badman <[email protected]>**** > > wrote:**** > > > > **** > > I hear you, and appreciate it it a point. At the same time, I don't buy > into losing our identity to be part of something global, especially when > measured in terms of 16K+ users on our branded campus WLAN at daily peaks, > and a few dozen Eduroamers expected. **** > > ** ** > > In other words, why change something that statistically everybody is used > to for the sake of statistically nobody? Not trying to quibble, just > explaining where we come from. **** > > ** ** > > I actually think Eduroam should be more accommodating to individual SSIDs, > but get why it can't work that way now. Hopefully Hotspot 2.0 lives up to > it's billing as the cure-all for this sort of thing. **** > > ** ** > > *Lee H. Badman* > Network Architect/Wireless TME > ITS, Syracuse University > 315.443.3003**** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ > [email protected]] on behalf of Hector J Rios [ > [email protected]] > *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 3:17 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam rollout- one more time**** > > We originally adopted the #3 option, but we are planning to retire our > 802.1X SSID soon and just have everyone use eduroam. It just makes sense. > What we have seen is that when on campus, we push our users to use our main > SSID, but then when they go to participating universities, they sometimes > have issues connecting to eduroam because they are not familiar with it. We > figured that we are part of a global effort and we will never be 100% > involved in it unless we get push our own users to use it as their main > SSID when at home. That way when they go to other participating > institutions, it will be seemless! Just the way it is supposed to work**** > > **** > > Hector Rios**** > > Louisiana State University**** > > **** > > *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Lee H Badman > *Sent:* Friday, November 01, 2013 11:35 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Eduroam rollout- one more time**** > > **** > > I know this comes up frequently, so forgive me. We’re at a different place > than we were at last inquiry…**** > > **** > > Syracuse University has become an Eduroam school, and as we speak we have > happy Eduroamers around the world. Woo Woo!**** > > **** > > At the same time, we have yet to roll out Eduroam on our own campus and > are getting ready to in accordance to the Eduroam agreement. We’re trying > to figure out the best model:**** > > **** > > 1. Retire our own beloved 802.1x SSID, and use Eduroam in its place. > This has no favor with any of us, including our senior IT managers and so > is not gonna happen. (Though I value the opinions of others, not wanting to > get into a debate on this point J )**** > > **** > > 2. Do a targeted rollout of Eduroam, in places where it is likely to > be used by visitors- academic buildings, etc. (So far, I can’t find > evidence of anyone coming to SU and asking for it). This model requires > building a new WLAN group or two and pushing it out to probably 20ish > buildings out of our 200+ buildings.**** > > **** > > 3. Go the easy path, and push it the Eduroam SSID everywhere, as an > additional WLAN, and live with the fact that it won’t get a lot of use in > most places and puts management traffic in the air that isn’t generally > going to be used.**** > > **** > > I can’t be the only one who has stood at this juncture and looked at the > situation the same way. Wondering what others have done between #2 and #3, > and what your level of satisfaction has been for whatever path you took.** > ** > > **** > > **** > > Regards,**** > > **** > > Lee Badman**** > > Syracuse University**** > > **** > > **** > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/.**** > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. **** > > ** ** > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ** ** > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
