Like I said, wasn't sure if it was list abuse or not, but I'm skeptical of their story. I've checked with seven of our eight consortium members - no email seen at the gateways from securew2. The other members are not active on this list, but I am, and I have mentioned XpressConnect/Cloudpath on multiple occasions. If this message was sent in an effort to "continue the conversation," then they should have at least reached out to the campus they claim requested the original demo. It wasn't me. SecureW2 sent a similar marketing email to me in 2013, shortly after I mentioned xpressconnect on this list - I answered a question on multi vendor interoperability. Remembering this happened before, prompted my question on list abuse. Another member of this list, not affiliated with my campus, received the same email. This member has also commented here in the past on XpressConnect/Cloudpath. We've all been subject to vendors using this list to gather contacts for marketing. They don't need to be members to search the archives, and while our email addresses are hidden, it doesn't take a lot of work to find that information. The marketing email they sent also violates the CAN-SPAM act i.e. not even an opt-out, but that's a totally different gripe. I think this dog has been beaten to death. No need to continue it further. best, Jeff
>>> On Thursday, March 06, 2014 at 1:31 AM, in message <[email protected]>, "Scharloo, Gertjan" <[email protected]> wrote: All, Since SecureW2 is not an Educause member, here is their response they provided to Jeff's post : "SecureW2 does not use any contact information from Educause threads. We are not even members of Educause and so cannot see contact information of the members to even abuse it. While we are spoken about on Educause and other forums, we do not solicit any data of members from Educause. We do reach out to a wide variety of prospects and customers as part our business efforts and reference conversations in the public domain for interested parties. Last year some members from the Claremont College System (which Scripps College is part of) requested a demo of SecureW2's product and during the meeting mentioned that they generally make decisions as a group and hence we reached out to Scripps as part our effort to continue the existing conversation. It is no secret in the that we've had many competitive wins against Cloudpath's XpressConnect & other products in the marketplace. Bottom line, we greatly respect the Educause community and did not collect Jeff¹s or anyone else¹s contact info from any Educause list/postings/etc. and apologies if the perception was that we did." Yours sincerely, University of Amsterdam ICT Services / Technical Support Gertjan Scharloo ICT Consultant Leeuwenburg | kamer A9.36 Weesperzijde 190 | 1097 DZ Amsterdam | The Netherlands T: +31 (0)20 525 4885 www.uva.nl uva.nl/profile/g.scharloo Available on : | Mon | Tues | wed | Thurs | Fri | Van: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]] Namens Jeffrey Sessler Verzonden: woensdag 5 maart 2014 18:03 Aan: [email protected] Onderwerp: [WIRELESS-LAN] List abuse? SecureW2 I'd be interested in knowing if other members on the list who are Cloudpath customers have recently been contacted by SecureW2? I received and unsolicited marketing email from them today touting their product, including the fact that "quite a few" former XpressConnect customers have switched to them. As proof, the marketing email links back to a Jan 16th discussion on this list where someone from Rutgers posted about their experience. I suspect they collected my email from the list thus why I'm interested in knowing if other Cloudpath customers on the list got a similar email. Do the educause list rules allow use of posts in marketing? For Rutgers, are you aware Securew2 is using you in their marketing material? best, Jeff ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
