> If you have a rogue AP on your campus, and you mitigate it by sending a spoofed disassociate packet, well, are you "jamming"?
IANAL, but I pipe up anyway... If this AP is connected to your (wired) network (i.e. extending it) or is masquerading as a part of your network (advertising your SSID) then you are within the law. If you are sending deauths with to a client of said AP which is providing it's own network with, say an upstream 4G connection, then you are interfering. Your wired network is yours; you built it, you operate it. The unlicensed WiFi spectrum is not. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Pete Hoffswell < pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu> wrote: > My thought is that the FCC is "simply" trying to police the ISM band, as > outlined in FCC part 15 regulations > > > http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=d5df6d61f643786c6651653f0942fd73&node=pt47.1.15&rgn=div5 > > The 2.4GHz ISM band is free an open for everyone to use. If you > intentionally disrupt transception, well, I think you might be breaking > some part of part 15. I've not read part 15, nor could I even begin to > comprehend it. > > But it gets grey quickly, doesn't it? If you have a rogue AP on your > campus, and you mitigate it by sending a spoofed disassociate packet, well, > are you "jamming"? > > I'm with Lee. I think the FCC jumped into a deep pond with this one. The > rules are out of date at best. They need to clarify. > > > > > > > > > - > Pete Hoffswell - Network Manager > pete.hoffsw...@davenport.edu > http://www.davenport.edu > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu> wrote: > >> Not so sure I agree- I know that Marriott’s insane fees led to this, >> but the FCC seems to be saying “you can’t touch people’s Wi-Fi, period” >> whether you offer a free alternative or not seems irrelevant. But then >> again, it appears that they issued a decision and were clueless about the >> fact that they created a lot of confusion over features that are built in >> to equipment that they certified for use in the US. >> >> >> >> Lee Badman >> >> Wireless/Network Architect >> >> ITS, Syracuse University >> >> 315.443.3003 >> >> (Blog: http://wirednot.wordpress.com) >> >> >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto: >> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Williams, Matthew >> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 4:32 PM >> >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] It would seem FCC just declared WLAN >> quarantine features illegal >> >> >> >> I don’t think that there’s a distinction about the location. My >> understanding is that the issue was that Marriott was jamming the hotspots >> to force people to pay for the hotel provided wireless network. I don’t >> think that there would have been a lawsuit if the hotel Wi-Fi was free. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> Matthew Williams >> >> Kent State University >> >> Network & Telecommunications Services >> >> Office: (330) 672-7246 >> >> Mobile: (330) 469-0445 >> >> >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ >> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Kitri Waterman >> *Sent:* Monday, October 27, 2014 4:25 PM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] It would seem FCC just declared WLAN >> quarantine features illegal >> >> >> >> "Marriott Hotel Services has come to a $600,000 agreement with the >> Federal Communications Commission to settle allegations that the hotel >> chain "interfered with and disabled Wi-Fi networks established by consumers >> in the conference facilities" at a Nashville hotel in March 2013. >> >> According to the nine-page order issued on Friday, a guest at the Gaylord >> Opryland hotel in Nashville, Tennessee complained that the hotel was >> "jamming mobile hotspots so you can’t use them in the convention space." >> >> Is this a distinction between them blocking in their "conference >> facilities" vs. their hotel rooms? We all know that radio signal >> propagation is not so clean cut, but I'm wondering if the lawyers are >> seeing things differently. >> >> Kitri Waterman >> Network Engineer (Wireless) >> University of Oregon >> >> On 10/3/14 2:07 PM, Thomas Carter wrote: >> >> I suspect the clause will still be valid, but we cannot use wireless >> countermeasures to enforce them. Telling students to turn them off, >> disabling wired ports, student discipline, etc are outside the FCC’s >> jurisdiction it seems to me. >> >> >> >> Thomas Carter >> >> Network and Operations Manager >> >> Austin College >> >> 903-813-2564 >> >> [image: AusColl_Logo_Email] >> >> >> >> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [ >> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Brian Helman >> *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 3:39 PM >> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU >> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] It would seem FCC just declared WLAN >> quarantine features illegal >> >> >> >> I just saw this on CNN and jumped on the list to post. Using your own AP >> is against the AUP everyone signs at our institution. Now I wonder if that >> clause is invalid. >> >> -Brian >> >> >> Sent from my Galaxy S4. Tiny keyboards=typing mistakes. Verify anything >> sent. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Frank Sweetser <f...@wpi.edu> >> To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" < >> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> >> Sent: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 3:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] It would seem FCC just declared WLAN >> quarantine features illegal >> >> I think a good chunk of the use is even more insidious than that. I've >> been >> in a position where I've offered university guests access to our wifi. A >> number of these users - smart, highly technical IT professionals - >> instead >> just said "Nah, I'll just use my hotspot." >> >> I suspect it's a combination of two things. First, "I paid for it, so I >> have >> to use it to get my money's worth". Second, "I'd have to think about how >> to >> set up a new wifi, or I can just turn on my hotspot by rote memory." >> >> In both cases, the cost (or lack thereof) and quality of any host offered >> wifi >> doesn't even factor into the decision at all. >> >> Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a >> solution that >> Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. >> Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken >> >> On 10/3/2014 3:21 PM, Philippe Hanset wrote: >> > Everything would be so much simpler if locations would provide Wi-Fi >> for free >> > or at a reasonable price. >> > When a technology is used by everyone (e.g. Electricity) like Wi-Fi, >> just >> > include it in the cost of doing business. >> > Stop charging users for Wi-Fi, especially when the room is already at >> > $200+/night. People will bring their own Mi-Fi or smartphone-hotspot, >> > and bypass the silly cost model! >> > >> > At Educause this week the Vendor-floor was plagued with hundreds of >> Mi-Fi and >> > private Wi-Fi. >> > The event was charging upward of $150/day for Wi-Fi to exhibitors. So, >> many of >> > them had their own solutions! >> > >> > Humans are resourceful...and if you piss them off they will read the >> law and >> > call the FCC (or they pirate your network ;-) >> > >> > Philippe >> > >> > Philippe Hanset >> > www.eduroam.us <http://www.eduroam.us> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Oct 3, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu >> > <mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> What do you all think of this? >> >> >> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/10/after-blocking-personal-hotspot-at-hotel-marriott-to-pay-fcc-600000/ >> >> >> >> >> - Lee Badman >> > >> > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> > >> >> ********** >> Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent >> Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> <http://www.educause.edu/groups/> >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE >> Constituent Group discussion list can be found at >> http://www.educause.edu/groups/. >> >> > ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE > Constituent Group discussion list can be found at > http://www.educause.edu/groups/. > > -- Tony Skalski Systems Administrator a...@stolaf.edu 507-786-3227 St. Olaf College Information Technology 1510 St. Olaf Avenue Northfield, MN 55057-1097 ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
