That being said,seems silly to not extend the campus wireless network rather than shoehorn yet another hardware set. Is short sighted of the lighting vendor to require that.
Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ________________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Howard, Christopher [christopher-how...@utc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:49 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as "easy to install" and "visibly attractive" wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Philippe Hanset <phan...@anyroam.net<mailto:phan...@anyroam.net>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us<http://www.eduroam.us> On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts <jwa...@pratt.edu<mailto:jwa...@pratt.edu>> wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset <phan...@anyroam.net<mailto:phan...@anyroam.net>> wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology "To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us<http://www.eduroam.us/> On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher <christopher-how...@utc.edu<mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu>> wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just "open our firewall" to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu<mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu> 423-425-1773 From: <Watters>, John <john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>" <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw <image002.jpg> John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: Watters, John Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net<http://www.anyroam.net/> On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Lee H Badman <lhbad...@syr.edu<mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu>> wrote: I guess that would be my first concern- why mixing systems? Are the Ruckus just supposed to be workgroup bridges in this case or actual client serving APs? I'm guessing anything could be cobbed together, but this sounds wonky. Also, heat has to be a concern in the light globe, no? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs No. We are a Cisco shop. -jcw <image004.jpg> John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Are you already a Ruckus shop? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 ________________________________ From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> on behalf of Watters, John <john.watt...@ua.edu<mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:54 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Our facilities folks are installing new outdoor LED lighting. They want us to install APs inside of the light fixtures (not the poles, but inside of the glass light globe). The AP they want us to use is a Ruckus ZoneFlex T300 series device. (See:http://www.ruckuswireless.com/products/zoneflex-outdoor/zoneflex-t300-series ) Does anyone have any experience (good or bad) with this equipment installed inside of exterior light fixtures? I need someone to talk to. Does anyone have any outside deployments that put the APs inside of the light fixtures using any brand of equipment? 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