Those are good words to put in my mouth.  In addition to these operational
benefits, there is a strong philosophical commitment at the C-level to
cloud-based services whenever it is feasible, so we don't go with on-prem
unless there is no feasible way to do it with cloud.

I am very appreciative of the comments so far.  Thank you all for your
input!

I will say we are currently Meraki, have been Meraki since their very early
days.  We are generally pleased with Meraki's controller capabilities, and
not terribly excited to go to something else, but since this is a large
investment and new game-changing players have come on the scene since 2008,
it is a matter of due diligence to look at the options.  Pricing is a real
factor, and we have had some issues with support since the transfer to
Cisco.  We have also had enough 'weird' problems with multiple clients
being unable to maintain a reliable connection that we are looking at the
possibility of global change (to get a whole new set of bugs, no doubt) in
hopes of removing these problems.

John

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Enfield III, Charles Albert <cae...@psu.edu
> wrote:

> I don’t want to put words in John’s mouth, but operating controllers
> requires time and effort beyond what’s required to manage configurations.
> Scaling, security, software upgrades, etc., all require resources but
> contribute nothing to the user experience.  For us the benefits of hosting
> our own controllers is worth it, but I understand that isn’t true for
> everybody.  I’m not even sure it will always be true for us.  When the
> benefits of controllers as traffic aggregators can be easily replaced with
> SD fabrics, I’ll probably want cloud controllers too.  The details will
> matter, but it’s where I think we’re going.
>
>
>
> Chuck Enfield
> Manager, Wireless Engineering
> Enterprise Networking & Communication Services
> The Pennsylvania State University
> 119L, USB2, UP, PA 16802
> ph: 814.863.8715
> fx: 814.865.3988
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Peter P Morrissey
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 4:30 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> Same here. I was also curious as to why it would be limited to cloud based
> solutions. I would drill down a layer into the perceived benefits of cloud
> based, and define it that way. Easier management requiring less staff time
> and thus lower TCO and more ability to accomplish other activities? Etc.
> Maybe.
>
>
>
> One of the disadvantages of cloud based solutions besides losing some
> control and visibility is the ongoing costs. We love Meraki as much as
> anyone, but the annual recurring licensing costs are rather steep and
> should be carefully weighed against the benefits.
>
>
>
> Pete Morrissey
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] *On Behalf Of *Jake Snyder
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:26 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> I’m curious about the requirement that controllers be “cloud based” and
> what business requirement that maps to.
>
>
>
> Trying to understand what a cloud based controller give your business that
> an on-premises controller does not.  How that translates to better
> experience, happier students or faster connectivity.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On May 17, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Norton, Thomas (Network Operations) <
> tnort...@liberty.edu> wrote:
>
> I  highly recommend looking at Aruba as well.
>
>
>
> *T.J. Norton*
>
> *Wireless Network Architect*
> *Network Operations*
>
> *Office: (434) 592-6552 *
>
>
>
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [
> mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> <WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>] *On Behalf Of *Trenton Hurt
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Options
>
>
>
> https://www.mist.com/
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>
> On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:10 PM John Rodkey <rod...@westmont.edu> wrote:
>
> Our college - about 40 buildings, 1200 students, 3500 wireless clients per
> day, currently 310 WAPs - is considering a major upgrade in WAPs, replacing
> a number that are 9 years old and no longer supported.
>
>
>
> We could replace with the latest model of our existing vendor, but want to
> consider all the feasible alternatives.  We have a hard requirement that
> the controller be cloud-based, the system deal well with Mac clients,
> understand VLANs and an enterprise quality network, and have a rich set of
> configuration, logging, monitoring, and troubleshooting tools for dealing
> both with clients and access points. Responsive support is also required,
> and unsurprisingly  total system cost is a significant issue.
>
>
>
> 3 vendors come to mind:  Meraki, Ubiquiti, and Aerohive.
>
>
>
> Questions:
>
>  1) do other vendors come to mind that play well in this space?
>
>  2) what are your positive experiences with any of the above?
>
>  3) what are your negative experiences?
>
>  4) have you recently gone through this analysis, and if so, what were
> your conclusions?
>
>  5) what issues have you experienced with PoE capacity requirements with
> these devices?
>
>
>
> John Rodkey
>
> Director of Servers and Networks
>
> Westmont College
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