Let me say it this way. I don't want to pay for it.|
Scott Reed wrote:
Some of this gets down to a very basic problem. If
you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not
afford? Customers do not care what you can or can not afford. The
care about the service you provide.
I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the
whole thing. How much money do you have? What do you need to get
started? What would be nice to get started? I left out the cost of
someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan.
I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the
insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber.
My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire
him. Your customer service will be terrible if you fall. Even 20 feet
and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup.
I do not climb, never will. Personal thing. So I am not offering
advice for climbing. It is a red flag to me when someone is starting
up and says "I can not afford ..." I don't care if it is training,
carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver. That statement says to me
that the business plan is not complete.
Network Design, Installation and Administration
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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <email@example.com>
Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave
> > I still believe that common sense if better than an educated
> I fully agree with you. However, what you fail to realise is that
> consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you
will be a
> trained common sense person. Which is better than a common sense
> alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots. No
> much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no
> climbing either.
> There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about
> They know what you don't know.
> I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a
> example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not
> time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does
> a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory. "IF you do that, you
> minimum, you won't fall to your death." In reality that should
> "you MAY not fall to your death.". I forgot to ask what type of
> were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple
> that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to
> can't withstand the force of a fall.
> One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular
is that it
> portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self
> jsut like installing a WIFI AP. But the last I heard, no one has
> killed by a WIFI AP. Tower Climbing is serious business, and
> done lightly.
> I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying
> everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more
> so I could climb as an option when needed. But there is
significant risk in
> doing that. I got the same backlash that you did on this list.
> difference is that I took their advice, and learned more about it,
> taking the risk. At minimum, you should find an experienced
person to go
> with you for the first climb, and its not likely that that will be
> Good luck.
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance
> > "IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your
> > I consider myself very observant. I will also always look
for any piece
> > of the tower that could be compromised. I understand that
just because it
> > still stands does not mean it is safe. I still believe that
> > if better than an educated idiot.
> > Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >> Brian,
> >> I fully agree with George. Only issue is that when you
start young, you
> >> usually don't know what you don't know, and become over
confident. So be
> >> cautious about that. I see it way to often. The
advantage of people
> >> that start out working for someone else in a specific
trade, is they
> >> learn by seeing, and don't have to figure it out blind.
For example in
> >> my case, I took a path of self employment instead of
going to college.
> >> was making good money so I didn't think I needed the
> >> took 10 years into my business for me to realize what I
didn't know, and
> >> how if I had that knowledge I may have been more
successful in my
> >> ventures. I am now working hard to correct those
weaknesses, but I wish
> >> I did it 10 years ago. My point is not to pass any
judgement on your
> >> expertise, just advising that you recognize your
weaknesses, so that you
> >> are in the position to address them, apposed to overlook
them. As far as
> >> tower climbing, I hired someone to do my first couple
installs. And I
> >> made sure that I was there every single moment to watch
and learn. It was
> >> invaluable to me, before climbing myself.
> >> The reality is, its near the same cost to take a course
as it is to pay
> >> someone for a day to install your gear. So thats one of
the reasons the
> >> advise is to take a course, by many. Its sorta like sky
> >> generally a good idea to have someone experienced around
the first time.
> >> If you make a mistake, the penalty can be severe.
> >> But if you member two simple rules, you'll probably be
OK. Always have
> >> atleast one other person around, so if you get in trouble
they can call
> >> for help. Second, use a Dual Tie-off shock zorber
lanyard. One of the
> >> two clamps should be fastened to the tower at all times.
When you go to
> >> move one, the other always stays fastened. Then once the
first one is
> >> fastened again, you move the second one. And of cource
the other end
> >> gets attached to the BACK D-Ring. IF you do that, you
know at minimum,
> >> you won't fall to your death.
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George"
> >> To: "WISPA General List" <email@example.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:21 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last
chance to save
> >> mylife)
> >>> Brian :)
> >>> Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!
> >>> When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is
still in high school
> >>> and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of
you guys that are
> >>> starting life embracing a business and making a go at
> >>> So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on
this era of your
> >>> life and understand why your a success at what ever
you will be doing
> >>> then.
> >>> I strongly believe in young people getting involved
> >>> in the business world.
> >>> It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is
what drives the
> >>> American way.
> >>> Congrats again!
> >>> George
> >>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> >>>> Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted.
If you know so much
> >>>> about how I climb, tell me what I have done
wrong. Or start asking me
> >>>> trick questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you
may insult me.
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