Okay, Victoria, so why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel! :-)
"P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." seems like a lame way out
of a NDA to me, but I ain't no lawyer.
I don't know where you have been for the past 18 months, but I saw you
announcing your return on the list earlier. Welcome back. Its been a
while since I read a rant this well written. Kudos.
There seems to be things like this and more that people have been too
polite to talk about "on the air" that I have only picked up bits and
pieces to. I would be interested in reading the whole Part15 meltdown
story, once all the parts of the story have finished unraveling. If
there is a URL with all of the gory details, please let me know.
I have attended 2 wispcons. In 2004(or 2003?), the 200+ attendees and
the 50+ exibitors made it very educational and refreshing experience. I
saw new technologies and made contacts with many vendors and
consultants. I talked with WISP operators who advised me on decisions I
needed to make to grow my network, and it was good to see that I wasn't
the only one struggling with the things I was struggling with. In 2005,
the 30 or so attendees and the 6 or so vendors was kind of a
disapointment to say the least. A lot more focus seemed to be on the
after-hours entertainment than the business of the convention. With
no-show vendors at a show like that, and no-show speakers for the
sessions, I guess there isn't much else to focus on though, except the
"limo rides" and BS like that.
I suspect that once its ALL over, and there is no risk of anyone suing
for slander or libel or whatever, and no bridges to burn, there will be
some interesting tales to tell.
Personally, I don't care about the non-profit, not for profit, or
for-profit status of P15 or Part15 or whatever he is calling his group,
except that IF he is claiming not-for-profit status, I think its VERY
fraudulent and inappropriate to run it as a for profit venture. If he
wants to CALL it a for profit and run it like that, then let it be, I
say, but if a man cannot let it be known what he is trying to
accomplish, and who he is going to accomplish it for, he isn't going to
accomplish much.
Bullit is a like-able person, with a very positive attitude. Its a shame
to see what once was a very dynamic and popular group lose momentum in
the face of contraversy like it has. A little dishonesty (or at least
the appearance of dishonesty) can go a LONG way to turn a positive into
a negative. There are many things in life that are required for success,
but it doesn't take much to turn a success into a disaster.
The whole "P15 only deals directly with it's suppliers." line to screw
you out of potentially a boatload of commissions seems like something
that SOMEONE needs to talk to a lawyer about... but I don't know all of
the details of what was or is in anyone's NDAs, non-compete's or
contracts. If I was Nuvio, and your sales referral brought me that kind
of revenue (that P15 will eventually bring in) I would certainly want to
find SOME way to compensate you. But thats just me.
Sorry if this post seems like a Bullit Bash, or a total dump on the
Part15 folks. I certainly don't mean anyone any harm. I am sure that I
don't have the whole story.
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Victoria Proffer wrote:
Michael,
You can ban me from your list,
I guess that would be ok, not much there any more,
There are many that have warned me against your list and you honor. As
well as they have advised me against authoring this email, but you
know me, I a bossy broad, damn ex-Marine.
I know not to burn the bridge, but when you kick a person when they
are down….I have no choice but to dump a barrel of coal oil on the
bridge, hopefully, catching my pitty party in the middle.
I have been so screwed over….I am carrying lighter fluid in my vest,
as well as several high gain parabolic and TWO five watt amps and a
power converter.
LOL, not really, but yours, Michael, is a bridge I do need to burn, or
get past.
I have about a half a dozen emails that you claim Part-15 is a 501.c3.
Where are the filinings?
I have checked with the state of Illinois and there have been , from
my understanding, no filings.
I was told about this years ago, but preferred to respect your honor
than accuse your dignity.
Clearly this is askew. Part-15.org is NOT A NON-PROFIT. It is clear
that you take advantage of the “.org” filing so that you can “bait”
newbies to a great party, or it use to be.
Some people tell me never to burn a bridge, or be a ball buster,,,,
HOLD ON…I AM GETTING MY PROPANE…once you flame, I will aim….
.
Crossing the bridge-à ßburning the bridge.
Done.
Ur…ahhh.
BTW, buillit, what did you do in New Orleans?
I know guys that worked, latterly their ass off, brought equipment,
saved their existing network, and basically in general did a damn good
job. I am really proud of Joe Laura, Jim Patient, MAC McDermot. I
suspect that, the skinny guy on the Uni was there.
BTW, my new email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(website soon to come).
I now own the STL network.
Eighteen months and now back to work.
Nice to see you guys.
Respectfully,
Victoria Proffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
314-974-5600
*/Bullit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote:
Hi V.
I remember you sending me the NDA, but going through your reseller
agreement is not what P15 was looking for. P15 only deals directly
with it's suppliers. When we were talking about this, I had mentioned
to you that I was in contact with Vonage, Packet8, etc. You then
suggested I look at Nuvio, which I did. I then contacted them and
established a contract with them (directly).
Regarding the statements below, I agree with Brandon, that if you are
not able to meet the Nuvio quota's it may be a good fit for you to
resell P15's (Nuvio) VoIP solutions. We already have a lot of
resellers signed up and P15 is the one with the quota's and not the
individual WISPs.
Michael
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Victoria Proffer <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Sent:* Monday, November 14, 2005 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Fwd: FW: Part-15.org
Michael,
Is this true?
Victoria
*/Victoria Proffer/**/ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>/* wrote:
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:10:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Victoria Proffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
Subject: Fwd: FW: Part-15.org
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is this true?
Victoria Proffer
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*From:* Brandon Fuhr
*Sent:* Monday, November 07, 2005 11:23 AM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject:* RE: Part-15.org
Victoria,
Thank you for the update. Sorry to hear you haven’t begun marketing
the services yet, but I understand how other business initiatives can
take precedence.
As for P15, I have talked with their Chairman Michael Anderson, and he
says that he never signed up as a subagent for you. P15 setup a direct
partnership with Nuvio, so any compensation that has been arranged has
been setup between Nuvio and P15. Michael says that when P15 was
looking into partner programs for VoIP services, that he was
contacting Vonage, Packet 8, and some others. He said that you used to
be a P15 member and had mentioned to him to check out Nuvio, and he
did so, but that you had not been involved at all in educating him on
the services or getting them setup as a partner, and he never signed
up through you. Michael contacted us directly, and we performed all
the work to get them going. I even flew out to their WISPCON event to
help educate their attendees on VoIP.
If you would have been more involved with the process, and got P15
setup as a subagent for your company, then you would be seeing some
revenues. However, you took a hands off approach, P15 entered into a
direct contract with Nuvio, and therefore you are not entitled to any
benefits of that relationship. P15 really wouldn’t have been a good
fit selling as a subagent of your organization anyway, so I believe
everything ultimately worked out for the best. In fact, it may turn
out that it is a better fit for you to become a subagent for P15 with
how we have the partnership worked out. Ultimately it could mean more
revenue sharing for you if you continue to not be able to meet the
goals we have set for our direct partners. This consists of 900
residential seats or 300 Hosted PBX seats signed up by the end of Year
1 of the partnership.
Regards,
Brandon
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