Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:12:46 -0800 

Dustin,
Your point is well taken, and I agree not all complete packages are created equal. 

However, 2 points....


1) I never had a Pac Wireless dish move on me yet. So there is nothing wrong 
with being cheaper and cheesier, if its good enough for the job.



2) Product is cheap to manufacturer in quantity.  man hours (labor)on the 
other hand isn't, expecially mine.  No matter how much volume I do, my labor 
doesn;t get cheaper, I'd argue that my labor rate goes up the more work I 
have, because its in finite supply, unlike product that has an infinite 
supply.



My point is, my job is to put money in my pocket, or pass the savings on to 
my subscribers, not to put money in the pocket of a manufacturer that over 
engineers. Its like the restaurants that attract people by givingthem these 
huge platefulls of food, that rarely can ever be eaten in full, and half of 
goes in the trash can. I'd rather save a dollar, than pay for waste.



We need cost effective alternatives for product. The most cost effective 
vendors will sell more product.  Its the nature of the world we live in. 
There's no room for fat, in todays competitive world.



However, with that said, I am one to pay for quality, when there is in fact 
additional value delivered worth paying for, apposed to the fabrocation that 
quality is added based on name brand recognition.



For example, my experience with Radiowaves has been nothing but the best 
from a customer service point of view, and may be worth paying more for, for 
some people. However for me, their antennas have shown to under perform, and 
not worth the higher cost on service alone.



I'll be buying a few Andrew's 3 ft dishes soon, but its not because of 
quality, its because I found a distributor that will give me a good price, 
compared to the alternatives. On a side note, Andrews does spec, about 2 db 
higher in gain that competitors on the 3 ft Dual Pol antenna.


Dustin,


Have you confirmed wether the Andrews 3 ft dishes really deliver the 2 db 
extra gain (34 db)?


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas



When you compare the Andrew and Gabriel mounts there is no doubt the 
Andrew mount is more substantial, but it also appears to be over 
engineered for a relatively small dish. We prefer the Gabriel mounts over 
the Andrew since they are lighter and easier to work with, but not too 
light like Pacwireless. The Andrew and Gabriel mounts also have superior 
fine adjustment capabilities compared to Pacwireless.


-Matt

dustin jurman wrote:


Tom,

You cannot forget that there are big differences in quality, it's not just
the dish but the mount as well.  As we utilize almost everything that you
list here with the exception of PAC Wireless there is a huge difference in

quality between Andrew and Gabriel quick fires.  While the Gabriel might 
be
the best value, it has the Chester cheese doodle mount when compared to 
that

of an Andrew.
Dustin Jurman
President
Rapid Systems Corporation
1211 N. Westshore Blvd
Tampa, FL 33607
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
813-232-4887




-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas

I actually got clarification on the Pacwireless solutions yesterday.
2 ft feeds do not work for 3 ft dishes, different lengths.

The PacWireless is a dual pol feed on a 3 ft dish, but only has the gain 
of

less than a 2 ft dish.

The purpose of upgrading from a two foot to three foot was to increase 
gain

not decrease it.

So PacWirelesslesses Dual Pol dish today, is a useless product. I was 
told,

its in engineering now for a redesign.

Gabrial 2ft dual pol- 28.9 dbi   ($350) - best value to day.

Radiowaves or Andrews 3ft dual pol- 32 dbi ($1024) - desperate to get 3 
more

db.
Gabriel 4 ft Dual Pol -34.5 db ($1000.)
Pacwireless 2ft single pol - 29 dbi ($180) Pacwireless 3 ft single pol- 32
dbi ($250) - Very cost effective Option, if you can live with Single Pol.
Pacwireless Dual Pol (3 ft)- 27 dbi. ($450) - worthless.

There is a clear gap in our options for 3 ft dual pol, and good value.

Four feet dishes are a big pain, won't fit through some hallways and most
roof hatches. And the windload is atrocious, when trying to mount it.

Three feet dishes are MUCH easier to work with, half the windloading, are

safe to install on existing wall mounted masts of slightly smaller 
diameter

(2.5") left from Teligent and simliar companies.  But yet maximizes the
available DB able to get from an antenna for a link.


I'd really like to see a 3 ft Dual pol option under $600, at some point. 
What really is Dish antenna anyway? More or less just a large trash can 
lid!


How much can it really cost? Its not that difficult. I'd like to see

PacWireless finish the job, and redesign that feed to get the 32 dbi that 
it
should be able to get.  Or Gabriel to fill in the hole. What I'd really 
like

to see is Maxrad make a Dual pol version of their 3 ft dish. There 3 foot

single pol dish was the best we have ever tested from a gain point of 
view,

really sweat.  It out performed all the 4 fts from competitors. Its around
$450 but its only single pol now :-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message -----
From: "G.Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas




Pac wireless has a 2ft dual pol, and a 3ft single pol, maybe the 2ft
Feedhorn fits the 3 footer?!

Gino A. Villarini,
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.aeronetpr.com
787.273.4143


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 3:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 3 ft Dual Pol antennas


The street price I have found on 3 ft Dual pol 5.2-58Ghz parabolic 
antennas

have been around ....

$1045 for Andrews, and $1025 for Radiowaves.


Any vendors on list in a possition to do better than that? If so, contact 
me


off list.

I find it odd, that there is such a large gap between 2 feet and 3 feet.
2 feet Dual pol gabriels are runing around $350.  It would be nice if
someone came up with something half way in between for 3 ft dual pol.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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