On a good system like canopy or polling (nstream or turbocell) I have been able to run a FDX style link, downloading 1.5Mbps while uploading 1.5Mbps, using Nstream I have done 15Mbps pseudo-fdx
Nstream2 allows a true FDX channel but I believe only PTP Dan Metcalf Wireless Broadband Systems www.wbisp.com 781-566-2053 ext 6201 1-888-wbsystem (888) 927-9783 [EMAIL PROTECTED] support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 12:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband > > It is true. Basic logic says that 3Mbps divided in half means you can > get 1.5Mbps. Further, find any device that can have strict time division > partitioning set and test it yourself. > > -Matt > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > Matt, > > > > This is not true. With a telco T1, if someone starts a 1.5Mbps upload, > > it has no effect on the download (i.e. virus traffic, music sharing, > > worms, etc.). With a wireless connection, even at 3.0Mbps, a 1.5Mbps > > upload will bring it almost to a stop. > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > Matt Liotta wrote: > > > >> 3Mbps half-duplex delivered using 50% time division is equivalent to > >> 1.5Mbps full-duplex. The fact that many TDD radios can have dynamic > >> time division makes a 3Mbps half-duplex link superior IMHO. > >> > >> -Matt > >> > >> Travis Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> Tom, > >>> > >>> Are you saying that you compare your wireless service to T1 telco > >>> service? How are you doing full-duplex with wireless? > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Tom DeReggi wrote: > >>> > >>>> Chris, > >>>> > >>>> I agree with your finding. > >>>> But its possible your focus group did not get all the fact. (Or > >>>> what was the finding?) > >>>> For example, its not only important to determine what terms the > >>>> customer best recognizes and identify with, but also what meaning > >>>> they have for those terms that they identify with. > >>>> > >>>> For example, it does not surprise me a bit, that "High Speed > >>>> Internet" was the term that the consumer best identified with. > >>>> However, most people identify "High Speed Internet" as much with > >>>> DialUP service as they do with "Broadband". > >>>> And if not identified with DialUP, its then identifies with DSL or > >>>> Cable services. Why do we want to create the image of offering > >>>> commodity services, design for huge over subscription, low repair > >>>> SLAs, and best effort? > >>>> > >>>> Do you consider cable and DSL as a good or bad thing, as far as > >>>> setting standards for quality? > >>>> > >>>> We don't want to be identified as that. We want to be something > >>>> better. > >>>> > >>>> Now if you are offering lower quality, best effort, Wifi services > >>>> to your clients, and you are striving to be a competitor to Cable > >>>> and DSL quality, sure Brand the product as DSL, and its a good > >>>> thing. And please do so, so your wireless is not identified with > >>>> what we offer, branding high quality fiber extension and T1 > >>>> replacement services. > >>>> > >>>> In your focus group did you get any results on their perception of > >>>> quality that they associated with Cable and DSL or the term "High > >>>> Speed Internet"? > >>>> > >>>> Would you suggest branding your T1 or Fiber offerings as "High > >>>> Speed Internet", since customers best identify with that term? > >>>> > >>>> Maybe we should be branding our service as "Wi-Fiber". or Maybe > >>>> "Ethernet Internet Access" (of course like end users will know > >>>> what Ethernet means.) > >>>> > >>>> Its a tough call because if we called our service "Fiber" or "T1" > >>>> we'd most likely be liars based on their true definitions. > >>>> Nothing exists realting to quality for us to piggy back on. > >>>> > >>>> All though "Broadband" may not be as well recognized, its doesn;t > >>>> associate us with Telcos or Cable companies necessarilly. > >>>> Broadband is truthfully defined as a general term to cover any > >>>> media type of delivery of Internet Access. > >>>> > >>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris cooper" > >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:34 AM > >>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> We conducted a few focus groups here. Most of the attendees were > >>>>> in the > >>>>> 18-24 yr. age bracket. It was amazing how many didn't identify > >>>>> with the > >>>>> word broadband. The words they responded to best were 'high speed > >>>>> internet" Wireless was way down the list. Too much confusion with > >>>>> cellular. > >>>>> > >>>>> That said, I think wireless will hold its own as a marketing term > >>>>> eventually. Wireless is the sexy new darling of the world. It > >>>>> will be > >>>>> worth trading on the word eventually. The other part of this is > >>>>> that we > >>>>> are building brands as wireless providers, so it makes sense to keep > >>>>> that in the mix until the world catches up. In 95-96 I was out > >>>>> trying > >>>>> to sell people on the words internet, email and website. Those words > >>>>> didn't register then but they are now a permanent part of the > >>>>> American > >>>>> lexicon and in the American brain. The word wireless and what it > >>>>> represents will eventually do the same. > >>>>> > >>>>> chris > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:13 AM > >>>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband > >>>>> > >>>>> Agreed excellent point (wireless scares and confuses people), > >>>>> except.... > >>>>> > >>>>> Why associate your service with DSL, a low grade $39 a month > >>>>> service, as > >>>>> > >>>>> advertized by Verizon? > >>>>> Why not associate it with T1 or just Broadband, higher quality > >>>>> services? > >>>>> > >>>>> If you associate it with DSL, then your are also associating it > >>>>> with the > >>>>> > >>>>> same quality and price. They think you are ripping them off charging > >>>>> $150 a > >>>>> month when they can get it for $39 a month down the street. When in > >>>>> accuality you are saving them 70% off their T1 line. > >>>>> > >>>>> Let me share a case that happened just yesterday. I got a call > >>>>> for DSL, > >>>>> > >>>>> they currently had voip and data on a T1, and they were looking for a > >>>>> DSL > >>>>> line to transfer the Internet Data to, to free up bandwidth on > >>>>> their T1 > >>>>> for > >>>>> their VOIP. It was a 15 minute close over the phone, since we had > >>>>> the > >>>>> MTU > >>>>> building lit, and represented we could have their new circuit > >>>>> installed > >>>>> the > >>>>> following day. I represented we were selling broadband, a T1 > >>>>> replacement. I > >>>>> made the mistake of leavingthe labeling of the contract heading as > >>>>> "Wireless > >>>>> Broadband Agreement". The customer saw Wireless and didn;t sign, and > >>>>> asked > >>>>> to cancel order. I'm now likely going to win the client back, > >>>>> after most > >>>>> of > >>>>> yesterday on the phone answering questions from everyone under the > >>>>> sun. > >>>>> The > >>>>> problem was the customers computer consultant, had used Wireless in > >>>>> Texas, > >>>>> and had nothing but troubles. He stated tons of Lightning related > >>>>> electrical > >>>>> problem that disrupted service regularly. (It was a Wifi service > >>>>> he was > >>>>> using, there.) The question they asked me was, why is my service > >>>>> able to > >>>>> > >>>>> compare againt T1 apposed to DSL, to justify the higher price? They > >>>>> looked > >>>>> at it as a lower grade service. My solution however, was a high end > >>>>> service. It was an Engineered 30 mbps TDD 4 mile link with a > >>>>> Direct path > >>>>> > >>>>> from the building to my core fiber peering point. I even have > >>>>> fiber in > >>>>> the > >>>>> building at $500, but don't use it, because the fiber has 4-5 hops > >>>>> to my > >>>>> > >>>>> transit location compared to my wireless that is a direct shot and > >>>>> bypasses > >>>>> many points of failure. I'll probably still get the business but > >>>>> after > >>>>> much > >>>>> sales agrevation and providing a good number of references. > >>>>> > >>>>> So its a valid point that Wireless does still scare some people. And > >>>>> Poor > >>>>> quality Wireless providers ruin the rep for the good quality > >>>>> WISPs. But > >>>>> my > >>>>> bigger point is that some customers actually think DSL is more > >>>>> reliable > >>>>> than > >>>>> an engineered wireless link used to replace Fiber and T1s. So > >>>>> branding > >>>>> Wireless as DSL, does not helpthe industry, it lowers the value of > >>>>> what > >>>>> we > >>>>> do. > >>>>> > >>>>> I've been plaqued by this problem, as my company name is... > >>>>> "RapidDSL". > >>>>> It > >>>>> gets me the leads, but it also starts every sales call out with > >>>>> why I'm > >>>>> charging more than $50 a month for my service, that I generally get > >>>>> $150-$500 a month for. > >>>>> > >>>>> We now market our service as "Broadband" period. It has made all the > >>>>> difference. We don't lie about using wireless, its plastered all over > >>>>> our > >>>>> website. But why advertise something that just confuses everyone and > >>>>> costs > >>>>> everyone time to sort out. > >>>>> > >>>>> Tom DeReggi > >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 8:55 AM > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> great point! :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Scott Reed wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Who says the L in DSL must be Line? Call it Digital Subsciber > >>>>>>> Link > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> and > >>>>> > >>>>>>> it works for the customer and uses our normal language for the > >>>>>>> radio > >>>>>>> connection. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Scott Reed > >>>>>>> Owner > >>>>>>> NewWays > >>>>>>> Wireless Networking > >>>>>>> Network Design, Installation and Administration > >>>>>>> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> *---------- Original Message -----------* > >>>>>>> From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:39:48 -0400 > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We find we can NOT sell our service as "Wireless Broadband" > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > As soon as we market it to customers as DSL or just plain > >>>>>>> > "High Speed Internet", we start scoring. > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > Too many in this area have been educated against "Open WIFI" > >>>>>>> > being BAD... > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > The cable we install to the radio is a "line", right ? > >>>>>>> > It carries digital signals, right ? > >>>>>>> > It allows our customer to become a "subscriber", right ? > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > DSL... ;) > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > KyWiFi LLC wrote: > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >I'm noticing more and more WISP's selling their wireless > >>>>>>> > >broadband service as "DSL" or "Wireless DSL". I know > >>>>>>> > >that 75% of the people who call our sales number have > >>>>>>> > >a difficult time understanding what Wireless Broadband is. > >>>>>>> > >They already know what DSL is and that is what the majority > >>>>>>> > >of them ask for so I would be interested in hearing everyone's > >>>>>>> > >opinions on the pros and cons of a WISP labeling their > >>>>>>> > >wireless broadband service as "DSL, wDSL or Wireless DSL" > >>>>>>> > >instead of "Fixed Wireless, WiFI or Wireless Broadband". > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > >If the masses are more familiar with the term DSL then I > >>>>>>> > >think we would generate more sales leads by advertising > >>>>>>> > >our (WISPs') broadband as DSL instead of Wireless > >>>>>>> > >Broadband. I'm sure the local telco would just love to see > >>>>>>> > >all of us selling "DSL". Are there any legalities to this? Does > >>>>>>> > >wireless broadband qualify as DSL or a form of DSL in the > >>>>>>> > >eyes of the law? Is it legal for a WISP to sell their wireless > >>>>>>> > >broadband service as DSL? > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > >Sincerely, > >>>>>>> > >Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder > >>>>>>> > >KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. 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