Travis,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard
532 solution?
The WAR board has faster CPU, and can push the full 35 mbps. The solution
needed to be a fully outdoor mountable system.
You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of actual
throughput, so why would you quote that to begin with?
Actually not at the time I quotes. It was a big undersight on my part, I
should have know based on our many list debates from months earlier. From
previous testing months earlier I understood that I could get 14-15Mbps
second with one CM9 at 10 miles. I had Atheros capabilty on mind, and
forgot about CPU need. So I thought that when I used Nstreme2 combining 2
CM9s or Turbo Mode or both I'd get double speed thus 30mb (I forgot Nstreme
was for Full Duplex instead of channel combining when quoting, where was my
head?) . What I learned two weeks ago in lab testing, preparing for the
install, after quoting the customer, was that the bottleneck was the
Mainboard CPU speed. When I realized my mistake, I called the customer and
converted the quote to a Trango unit, which I thought should work best to
meet spec.
The big mistake I made was that I forgot all about WAR boards. The quote
specificed True bridging, and at the time I did not realize that StarOS V3
supported True Bridging. I learned after the fact, that it does. It was an
important client of mine, and I did not want to use something that I had not
tested or used yet personally, So I ate the profit margin based on time
constraints and maintaining professionalism not jerking the customer around
with new solutions every day. The reason I was limited by Trango, is that
Trango has a web presence and lists retail costs, which my customer will see
when they inquire about what we are providing them, when I sell StarOS or
Mikrotik it is an OEM solution, so they do not have a reference of what my
solution is typically sold at, as its branded as our radio brand.
I like Trango alot for my needs as an ISP. It gives me the remote
troubleshooting tool and management features I need. But when I sell a link
to a end user, they don;t need those same benefits. The OEM solution
easilly met their need from a softwre perspective, if not more, with the
added routing OS type features.
My take on this is that for the reseller, OEM Branded WAR/StarOSV3 system
(or Mikrotik within its speed capabilties) is the solutions that will allow
integrators to make maximum profit margins. For example, I'd argue that for
resale, it could pass traffic equivellent to the Alvarion BH100, and the
$1000 solution could be sold for up to $7000 maximizing profit potential, or
at least a couple $1000 markup. I'm not saying the more expensive main brand
gear doesn;t have unique valuable features wirth buying the gear for, I'm
jsut saying the unique feature of the WAR solution, is that it now has
reached the speed capacity of the many high cost PtP solutions, (Redline,
Orhtogon, Ceragon, Avlarion, Etc) and can compete on the criteria of speed.
I usually do not make purchasing decissions on resale advantages, because I
am usually a provider that buys product for my own use, and its not about
the profit, its about the benefit of features to me as the user. But this
case was a resale transaction that I did, and from a resale point of view,
it solved the customer's problem, but it did not solve mine, which was to
maximize profitabilty of the job. (of course I got labor fee, that helped).
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story
Tom,
How would the WAR/V3 solution have worked any better than the Routerboard
532 solution? You had to know that the RB532 would only do about 20Mbps of
actual throughput, so why would you quote that to begin with?
Travis
Microserv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Just completed install for client, that we quoted blind. The supposed
Near-LOS partial freznel obstruction from a building, unfortuneately
turned out to really mean NON-LOS through thick row of pine trees between
buildings. Buildings were probably 600 yards away from each other. The
Trango built-in antenna model installed pulled 46 mbps throughput and
zero packet loss, perfect link. WooHoo. (I know short distance, but pine
trees scare me, and often have unpredictable results even when doing
900Mhz).
Only negative thing was Trango made the profit, allowing me only to make
$200 markup, instead of the original $1500, that I had originally covered
in my quote with a Routerboard 532 solution, that didn't get the 30mbps
capacity requirement. My pocket book, wishes I had the War/V3 solution a
week earlier :-(
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS
With the nazi administration currently in power, one should think twice
before deciding someone shouldn't be allowed to say or write things.
But, I must say this statement is like a Linux loon calling FreeBSD
crap. - cw
JohnnyO wrote:
I was not interested in reading posts labled Routerboard 532 and
Star-OS
crap. If I were interested in Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I
would look for posts labled Star-OS !
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