Patrick - Thank you.

Patrick Leary wrote:

That's easy. From the FCC site:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfm

The above link didn't work for me.

And here is the search location:
https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfm

This link is great! I put CA (California) and "Accredited" into the search criteria and the FCC site returned 30 hits for certification labs in CA. Fantastic!

I would propose that WISPA include this FCC link on the new website.

jack



Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jack Unger
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

Patrick,

From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms of marketing certified equipment. Can you research the certification labs that Alvarion has used and give us the names of those labs so that others will know where to go for reliable certification services?

Thanks,
         jack


Patrick Leary wrote:

We have a pretty vigorous approved third party antenna list, but I believe
we are somewhat of the exception in terms of this facility.

Patrick Leary
AVP Marketing
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..

This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify. Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would make this more of a requirement than what it seems to be now. If we all insist on certs then the overall cost for this would be negligible.
Scriv



Jack Unger wrote:



John,

Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect organization to perform this role.

We could start by simply polling our list members to see which labs anyone has used and been satisfied with.

OK, speak up guys (and gals). What lab or labs have you researched or used?
    jack


John Scrivner wrote:



The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means "anything goes". The truth is that there are almost certainly a good bit of installed systems which would not pass FCC enforcement inspection. Many believe that following maximum EIRP rules is the only requirement. This is not so. It is a good practice if you are not following the rules but that does not mean it is legal. Another common belief is that "anything goes" is the rule of thumb due to the general lack of enforcement in unlicensed bands. This is unfortunate and further illustrates the need for our industry to mature.

Part of this maturity process should start by operators demanding to see FCC certifications for the systems they buy. It is tough for operators to remain compliant when so few systems are certified. Another step should be that manufacturers certify their systems with commonly used antenna / radio configurations every time they release a product. Finally, distributors need to demand that all systems they sell meet certification requirements. The fact is that certification is not terribly costly or complicated and should be a step taken by all manufacturers and eventually all of us. If anyone here represents manufacturers who certify all their systems then now would be a good time to toot your horn.

I believe the day will likely come that the FCC will inspect WISP systems. It took them about 20 years to start cracking down on the cable television industry for signal leakage and other infractions. Something tells me this industry will not have to wait that long. Of course the decision to follow the rules is inevitably up to each person. I would like to think we all will be compliant in the future but this is an unrealistic goal I am sure if manufacturers do not take a leadership role in this effort. WISPA stops short of demanding that members do anything but I will say, as President of WISPA, we should all try to follow the law regarding this industry. No industry association could expect to have impact in policy and legislative efforts if they took the stand that shirking the law is a correct course of action.
Scriv


chris cooper wrote:



It sounds like several of you here build your own radios and use off the shelf antennas. So if I buy a board, cards and an antenna what are my obligations to FCC as far as having a certified system in production? Thanks for the education



Chris




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