Wow Patrick, I'm surprised of your answer.  I think I've made it abundantly
clear over the years I'm "open source" when it comes to equipment and choose
the best solution for the application at hand regardless of brand.

I've certainly been more a critique of Trango and many other products than I
have been of Alvarion VL.  That can't be disputed.  I'm just surprised you
have such thin skin regarding constructive criticism.

Regardless of what you believe, SNR is NOT the same thing as a RSSI reading.
RSSI is pretty much what makes the world go 'round in the radio industry.
Not sure why Alvarion continues to dig in their heals over such a simple
item that even your own techs agree should be provided.

Holy cow Patrick admits software DP "might be nice"!  This is a first and
shows progress is steps Patrick, baby steps.  Now let's
put the idea front & center with the Alvarion design team and as they say
git 'er done!

I think you know as well as I do the size of the weather seal was an
oversight in design.  The idea that 1 or 2 mm larger in size will make the
weather seal less effective is ridiculous.  You can do better that that.

Not sure what you mean about my customer chose VL etc, etc.  The end user
client is ours...the last thing I want to do is have it fail.  The sale was
for 2MB/2MB FDX and frankly the VL can't do that every day all day in this
environment.  HDX, yes.

Accept training at $1000 a person?  No thanks.  Either a manufacturer
supports the product or not.  Are you saying we are not going to be given
support until we pay up $1000 a head for a class?

Proficient in more than one brand?  I'm not even going to respond to such a
silly assertion.

Alavarion Engineers have been given full access to this setup in countless
emails running surveys etc, etc.  Not until v4.0 was installed was the
client even able to use the circuit.  That offer has always been open for
Alvarion engineers to login and take a look for themselves.  BTW, I believe
Jean was another tech I spoke with at length that was very knowledgeable and
helpful.  Problem is the site is a very noisy site and a product that
doesn't work well with noise will not perform well there.  Without dual
polarity, Rx threshold and dual band abilities the VL will always suffer.

You missing the point here Patrick.  I'm trying to get Alvarion to improve
their product so we can BUY more of it.



-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of G. villarini
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs


Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its
achieving its link budget.

Altough we don't use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching backhaul
options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the calcs on
radio mobile and spreedsheet to determine the link budget in advance to
implementation.  Snr won't help much there...


-----Original Message-----
    From: "Patrick Leary"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    Sent: 9/24/06 11:32:47 AM
    To: "WISPA General List"<>
    Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs
    Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you
    consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other
    than your longtime preferred vendor.
    I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used
    to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of meters. But also, isn't RSSI
    less sophisticated and a less useful number than SNR since it is only an
    indication of receive signal without discounting noise? SNR provides a
    more accurate representation of wanted signal since it discounts for
    unwanted noise.
    Not sure of your complaint about the RJ45. No one else remarks about it
    and we don't have issues with water intrusion. In other words, it works
    well. If the opening was enlarged you increase the potential for water
    Following the color code? Yes, as an old cabling guy, I would agree. But
    I am pleased to note that one is really running out of things to harp
    about when one continually highlights this a major deficiency.
    So now that I have responded here to your public mail, will you please
    admit that even if the VL came to life and saved your kid from a flood
    you complain that it was not fast enough and that it ripped the kid's
    clothes. I wish some day you'd accept that your customer chose VL and
    you should take the opportunity to learn about it instead of still
    trying to make it fail so you can get them to switch to Trango. Even the
    best radios will have room for improvement and every decent brand should
    have something special that differentiates it. You work so hard to find
    fault you miss opportunities to become proficient in more than one
    brand. So accept our invitations to allow engineer visits and accept our
    invitations to be trained. Know what I mean?
    Patrick Leary
    AVP WISP Markets
    Alvarion, Inc.
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