Re dual polarity via software, I and others have always said it would be nice. You've never heard me argue against it and you have heard me acknowledge that this is Trango's key "Trango only" differentiator. But we all understand that and have acknowledged it many times. Lots of things are nice, some just have higher priority than others. For every 1 thing VL may not have relative to Trango, we can probably find 10 things VL can do that Trango cannot, each of equal importance maybe to dual polarity. The ability to do VoIP well would be such a thing. Those with multipoint networks using Trango or Canopy are entirely stranded in terms of being able to do VoIP to any reasonable scale.
Come on Brad. I was personally involved in some of the threads where I've seen my people (or me) attempt to answer every question you have had. I know Keith's management has offered to send him out there numerous times for free. I was pleased to be able to visit to understand what your customer was wanting to do. By the way, training does not have to be $1,000 a head, as you know. We offer people to pay for the whole class than they can sell their own seats for whatever they want. We actually have some customers that use this as a profit center. Also, respectfully, isn't one's willingness to get trained a good measure of one's seriousness? And what professional training have you had for free that was wroth anything? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 9:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Wow Patrick, I'm surprised of your answer. I think I've made it abundantly clear over the years I'm "open source" when it comes to equipment and choose the best solution for the application at hand regardless of brand. I've certainly been more a critique of Trango and many other products than I have been of Alvarion VL. That can't be disputed. I'm just surprised you have such thin skin regarding constructive criticism. Regardless of what you believe, SNR is NOT the same thing as a RSSI reading. RSSI is pretty much what makes the world go 'round in the radio industry. Not sure why Alvarion continues to dig in their heals over such a simple item that even your own techs agree should be provided. Holy cow Patrick admits software DP "might be nice"! This is a first and shows progress is achievable...baby steps Patrick, baby steps. Now let's put the idea front & center with the Alvarion design team and as they say git 'er done! I think you know as well as I do the size of the weather seal was an oversight in design. The idea that 1 or 2 mm larger in size will make the weather seal less effective is ridiculous. You can do better that that. Not sure what you mean about my customer chose VL etc, etc. The end user client is ours...the last thing I want to do is have it fail. The sale was for 2MB/2MB FDX and frankly the VL can't do that every day all day in this environment. HDX, yes. Accept training at $1000 a person? No thanks. Either a manufacturer supports the product or not. Are you saying we are not going to be given support until we pay up $1000 a head for a class? Proficient in more than one brand? I'm not even going to respond to such a silly assertion. Alavarion Engineers have been given full access to this setup in countless emails running surveys etc, etc. Not until v4.0 was installed was the client even able to use the circuit. That offer has always been open for Alvarion engineers to login and take a look for themselves. BTW, I believe Jean was another tech I spoke with at length that was very knowledgeable and helpful. Problem is the site is a very noisy site and a product that doesn't work well with noise will not perform well there. Without dual polarity, Rx threshold and dual band abilities the VL will always suffer. You missing the point here Patrick. I'm trying to get Alvarion to improve their product so we can BUY more of it. Best, Brad -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of G. villarini Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 10:48 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Patrick, Rssi is very important to determine if a link is properly aligned and its achieving its link budget. Altough we don't use alvarion(yet), we are currently researching backhaul options and the way we comission ptp links here is that we run the calcs on radio mobile and spreedsheet to determine the link budget in advance to implementation. Snr won't help much there... Gino -----Original Message----- From: "Patrick Leary"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 9/24/06 11:32:47 AM To: "WISPA General List"<wireless@wispa.org> Subject: RE: [WISPA] vendor specs Brad, Software controlled dual polarity might be nice. Not sure why you consistently harp on us though since no one else has it either other than your longtime preferred vendor. I am not as convinced about your complaint about RSSI. Is it just used to RSSI like being used to feet in stead of meters. But also, isn't RSSI less sophisticated and a less useful number than SNR since it is only an indication of receive signal without discounting noise? SNR provides a more accurate representation of wanted signal since it discounts for unwanted noise. Not sure of your complaint about the RJ45. No one else remarks about it and we don't have issues with water intrusion. In other words, it works well. If the opening was enlarged you increase the potential for water intrusion. Following the color code? Yes, as an old cabling guy, I would agree. But I am pleased to note that one is really running out of things to harp about when one continually highlights this a major deficiency. So now that I have responded here to your public mail, will you please admit that even if the VL came to life and saved your kid from a flood you complain that it was not fast enough and that it ripped the kid's clothes. I wish some day you'd accept that your customer chose VL and you should take the opportunity to learn about it instead of still trying to make it fail so you can get them to switch to Trango. Even the best radios will have room for improvement and every decent brand should have something special that differentiates it. You work so hard to find fault you miss opportunities to become proficient in more than one brand. So accept our invitations to allow engineer visits and accept our invitations to be trained. Know what I mean? 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