ah yes, but then you would've had a cop knock on the front door, 
and ASK your permission to use the phone.   At which point, you
COULD say "NO!" and shut the door on them.  Or, you could let them
in, and tell them "OK! here it is!"

BUT...They wouldn't do the equivalent of walking up to your NID, 
plugging a butt set in and just dialing away...

If I, right now, drove up in front of your house, got out of my truck,
walked up to your Network panel that Verizon or the local phone co.
put there as their demarcation point, and plugged my butt set in
and got dial tone and dialed Hawaii to chat with someone at YOUR
expense, I could be found / shot / arrested / sued / what have you.

What's different with WiFi ?  Nothing but the excuses we allow people
to continue to make.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Pete Davis
Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
802.11b/g

The legality and ethics of using an open access point is questionable, but
there is a liability issue as well. In most of the areas that I cover with
my network, there is a strong signal with SSID of NoDial.
Connecting to this will get you a DHCP address even, without a WEP or other
encryption key.
Until I know that you have connected and moved your mac address to a list
that authorizes your connection, all of your outbound packets will be sent
to http://64.123.108.28:80 This brings up a liability issue. If the
emergency communication van tech wastes 2 hrs trying to get hold of me, get
connected to the internet, or whatever, and $10M of houses burn down,
because they couldn't get to the fire department via a hacked VOIP solution,
then am I gonna get sued?
If they connect to my private home network that I intentionally left open,
and my custom made uber-hacker passive/aggressive firewall unleashes a
blackops virus that turns their laptops into bricks. Then what?

I guess, that by JohnnyO's example, if you come into my open door and try to
visit with my wife, and you step on a rake that gives you a brain anurism, I
guess that makes me guilty (or not guilty) of manslaughter. I lost score in
this ballgame.

If the cops are in a pursuit in my neighborhood, and run their squad car off
the road breaking the radio, and they want to use my home phone to call the
office, I would let them. Not because I HAVE to, but to be a good citizen.
If I HAD to, then the 4th amendment just went out the window.

pd



Jack Unger wrote:
> 
> Holy brainfade, JohnnyO.
> 
> Your comments about "highly illegal" just went STRAIGHT over my head.
> 
> What's illegal about Brian's emergency communications operation? Hams 
> have been providing emergency communications services since (literally) 
> the sinking of the Titanic.
> 
> jack
> 
> 
> JohnnyO wrote:
> 
>> Brian - Ham Operator or not - do you realize that what you're planning
>> on doing is HIGHLY illegal and has several people over the past 2 yrs in
>> Federal Prison as we speak ?
>>
>> Why don't ya'll get a VSAT system that works well for VOIP ? The cost is
>> only about $60/mo more and you have no restrictions on bandwidth or
>> stupid filtering like Wild Blue does....
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Brian Webster
>> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 2:56 PM
>> To: WISPA List
>> Subject: [WISPA] recommendation for Client POE integrated radio for
>> 802.11b/g
>>
>> I'm looking for a good client radio to use in an emergency
>> communications
>> vehicle. My criteria are, POE, highest gain panel antenna possible,
>> scan/survey tool built in, web interface, 802.11b at minimum. I'm part
>> of a
>> ham radio emergency response group and we have our own comms van. I want
>> to
>> have a client radio that we can use on a push up mast to scan around for
>> an
>> open access point and grab bandwidth in an emergency on a scene. We
>> respond
>> with our county Hazmat team for support and the internet is handy. We
>> already have a Wild Blue setup and that will work when necessary but I
>> would
>> like to be able to use something with lower latency so we can implement
>> VOIP
>> at times. I have not studied the 802.11b outdoor client radios in a long
>> time and thought I would ask opinions here. Price is a consideration but
>> the
>> feature set is more important. Id' like to stay away from YDI/Proxim
>> just
>> because of their attitude on the phone whenever I have dealt with them.
>> If
>> any of you can point me to a link were I can purchase one that would be
>> great. Have a nice day.
>>
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
> 

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