The exact number of WISPs may be in specific debate, but whether the
number is higher than the reported 400 odd WISPs is not. I am certain
the number is at least 500% higher than that. And doing some basic
number crunching (which I won't reveal) on the amount we sell into the
U.S., along with good estimates of what our principal peer vendors sell,
it is easy to see that number of subscribers is much higher than
reported. That does not even count the subscribers attached to BWA
purpose-built Wi-Fi gear, both certified and not certified -- a number I
suspect is at least as high as Alvarion's + Moto + Trango.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 1:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition

In 2004 *I* called the main distributors in the wisp space.  5 of them
as I 
recall.

It took some time and some arm twisting, but I got them to tell me how
many 
wisps that they had in their databases.

It totaled out at 12,000!  I assumed that around 25% had purchased from
most 
of them at one time or another.

The highest number for any one company was 6000.  That means that there 
were, really, 6000 wisps that could not have overlapped with any of the 
others.  So, it's reasonable number I'm sure.

(sorry Peter, I thought I'd sent this but got interrupted and am just
now 
hitting the send button....)

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)                    Consulting services
42846865 (icq)                                    WISP Operator since
1999!
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Admits Mistakes In Measuring Broadband
Competition


> Where did you get THAT number?
> 3000.  6000.
> I'd bet that there are less than 2000 total indie ISP's left.
>
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>
>> Arrgghhhhh!!!!!
>>
>> The REAL problem is that the don't accurately count providers.  They
only 
>> catch the larger ones.
>>
>> We're NOT behind.  Not like some like to claim we are.
>>
>> Hell, there are at LEAST 3000 wisps out there yet the FCC only has
400 of 
>> them filing the form 477.  I'll bet the real number of wisps is north
of 
>> 6000.
>>
>> Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how much further ahead we probably

>> are?
>>
>> grrrrrr
>> Marlon
>
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