Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother with VPNs, etc...
If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, 100Mb/s definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your own pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a cost cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm relying on for my entire customer base.... You spend too much time and money building your network and your customer base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for cash to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technology On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's > provider's NOC? > > Jeff > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. > > They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one > big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. > > If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to > BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have > your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. > > > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second > > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP > > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify > > something that big. > > As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be > a > problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be > multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an > ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork > ready.) > > Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to > get > a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means > renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs > to > be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four > /24s, > or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. > > > I > > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN > > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my > > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. > > Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with > double-billed traffic. > > Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their upstream > (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One of > your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the > Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets > VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the > switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). > > If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in > through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to > avoid > that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for traffic > in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, > they'd > probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't > have > to do this whole VPN song-and-dance routine. :) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > WISPA Wants You! 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