They can't be that cheap as I've never used them. :-p I've used Belden, Superior Essex, and I think Electro-comm.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >> Shireen cable > > I admit the Shireen boxes and spools are not as durable as some other more > expensive brands, and as a result we have to be more careful with them. > But > I really don't understand what all the fuss is about. Its not that big a > problem. The cable works great for us, its almost all we use now. Not to > mention, Shireen's support is awesome, and generally he stands behind his > stuff 100%. > The cable itself is easy to work with, durable, inexpensive, the right > size, > and readilly available, designed specifically for the need of a WISP. > Also > remember this is also probably the least expensive product on the market, > its understandable to save on areas that don't sacrifice the cable quality > itself. All I can say about his cable is "value", I'd recommend it to > anyone. > > Hints: Dont drop it off the side of the roof, Dont store it under your > ladders and Toolboxes in the VAN, Dont tug on it viciously, Don't drag it > across rocky roofs, Don't use them as a chair while getting drunk after a > hard days work, they won't hold up. But normal wear and tear, they are > fine. > > If we need something that will get barried by stone and trampled on, we'll > often use Superior Essex, which is much thicker for the more demanding > application, But the Superioer Essex is MUCH harder to work with, and 2-3 > times the price, so we prefer Shireen's for most applications. > >> Poor quality seems to plague > > I fully disagree. His QC and standard for quality is the best in the > industry. > His Pigtails are also expecially high quality, and I'm pretty sure > everyone > gets tested. He pretty much only uses the real high quality thicker type > cable. > And his price is great considering you are getting the super high quality > stuff. > > One time when we went by his warehouse, to buy and pickup some of the good > pigtail cables. On the way out, he also hands us a large bag of misc > pigtails, and says here have em. I say what for? He says, "These are > useable, but I won't sell these. These don't meet our Quality standard, I > won't put my name on them." (Some were those very thin black and grey > ones). > My point is, he'd rather throw them away and loose money, than sell junk. > There aren't many distributors that have that same standard. > > (Funny thing... half of the junk ones worked well enough, when we were in > short supply :-). > >> that cable company. > > Actually, they aren't just a "cable" compay. Allthough they also make and > sell quality cable. > He's also not just a Distributor/reseller/box mover. > Shireen is a brilliant Electrical engineer/designer well versed in the art > of manufacturing. Most of their Amps and Filters and stuff are designed > and > made by him and/or staff. I've also had the luxury of meeting some of his > onsite staff. I've always found them to be very knowledgeable and > helpful. > It becomes clear that the Quality doesn't stop at the CEO, but funnels > down. > > He's got these awesome, super small footprint amplifiers. He's definately > got it down to a science of how to make it small and compact. > > He's also got a new line of Radio/CPE systems, conforming to basic Wifi > standards. If I remember correctly, its using High grade MTI type > antennas, > but at better pricing. > We don't use it that much, becauses we are a Trango house, but again its > good value for people using wifi. > > I hope I'm not laying it on to thick, but this guy is definately not a guy > that deserves to get a bum rap. > He's helped us out of binds, more times than I can count, and not once has > he ever asked what he'd get in return. > Many companies offer price, and many offer support, but getting support > and > price is a tough find. > Shireen is a quality company. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 > > >> We quit buying Shireen cable because of their spools. We finally gave >> up >> and re-spooled 5 spools of it onto other empty (comscope) plastic spools. >> We >> have also gotten that cable in on wooden spools and they are equally as >> bad! >> Poor quality seems to plague that cable company. The wooden spools are >> held >> together by 4 long bolts, but the bolts pull through the thin wood sides >> and >> the cable will not unspool and if you take it out of the box it is >> shipped >> in - - - - it scatters like a covey of Quail! What a nightmare. >> >> I think we are going to have to stay with comscope :) till we hear >> something else :-) >> >> Mac >> >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 6:54 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >>> >>> We have had similar issues but we had about a dozen of them break and >>> still counting. The asked me if we would prefer wooden spool within the >>> box. I told them yes. Something a bit stronger. I don't know about >>> other >>> ISP's, but I know I've been caught in a quick summer rain storm and a >>> heavy snow fall and the boxes get wet. I need to have something a bit >>> more >>> reliable in the future. Other than the current spool/box setup. I've >>> had >>> no complaints about Shireen cable. >>> >>> -Cam >>> >>> > I spoke with Shireen (Soe Zarni) about the issue we have been having >>> > with the "poor quality" of their reel boxes. >>> > >>> > Soe told me that they had a shipment that had been unloaded during a >>> > heavy rain and that many of their boxes of cable got wet. Soe felt >>> > that this is was the cause of my recent problems with their cable >>> > boxes falling apart and wanted an opportunity to send me a "good" box >>> > of cable for me to test out. >>> > >>> > We found no problems with the last box of cable we ordered from them >>> > and am very pleased that this "issue" appears to simply be due to >>> > water damage. We do hope that they recognize this as a potential >>> > problem in the future and make changes accordingly, but with their >>> > excellent service we have no reason to believe otherwise and will >>> > continue purchasing Cat5 cable from them. >>> > >>> > It's also worth noting that Soe offered us credits/discounts for the >>> > trouble. >>> > >>> > We appreciate Shireen's ongoing excellence in customer service and >>> > look forward to doing business with them in the future. It was very >>> > clear to me that Shireen was/is serious about their customer's >>> > satisfaction. >>> > >>> > Thank You, Soe!! >>> > >>> > Chad Halsted >>> > Wireless Operations Manager >>> > The Computer Works >>> > Conway, AR 72032 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Chad Halsted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >> I'll check into Belden, thanks. Yeah, I think I'm done with Shireen >>> >> until they figure out a better design. I'd rather have a simple >>> spool >>> >> than fight with that crap for one more minute. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Cameron Kilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> >> > Belden makes good cable too. About $225 for 1000 feet. >>> >> > >>> >> > Yes the Shireen spool boxes are horrible! We are not going to >>> order >>> >> > anymore until they fix this. >>> >> > >>> >> > Cameron >>> >> > Midcoast Internet >>> >> > >>> >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> On >>> >> > Behalf Of Chad Halsted >>> >> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:15 PM >>> >> > To: WISPA General List >>> >> > >>> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5 >>> >> > >>> >> > For those using Shireen cable, do you guys not have problems with >>> the >>> >> > poor quality of their reel/box container? We have had almost >>> every >>> >> > box come apart on us before we get 200' of cable pulled off the >>> reel. >>> >> > The wire is too loosely wrapped which causes the wire to sink down >>> >> > into the lower wraps. It's just been a mess. 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