We prefer to be allowed to break the WiMAX standard and tweak things more to our liking. For example, 3.5 and 7 Mhz channels are annoying for only 25Mhz of spectrum. It would be nice to have access to 5 and 14 Mhz channel widths.
-Matt On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:43 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Yep. It is the efficiency of WiMAX that plays the role here. We can do > about 12 mbps net as a peak rate in a 5 MHz channel, but that is not > something you'd offer customers in a sector you were looking to scale. > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:40 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future > > We see 10Mbps FDX with iperf in 7Mhz channels on the Redline gear. For > those who pay attention, this is a layer 3 test over 802.1q with 1500 > MTU using a 5ms TDD. Oh yeah and it was tested 2.7 miles NLOS at -82 > RSSI. If we tweaked for throughput as opposed to latency we could beat > that. However, we prefer lower latency since we have to provide QoS > for VoIP. > > -Matt > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: >> More Testing with the NS5: >> >> Using 5 Mhz channels ... >> >> 17 MBps Downlink 10 Mbps Uplinks ... >> >> Wow! Obviously I have the SuperA options enabled (FastFrame, >> Bursting >> and Compression)... still ... impressive for a $80 radio >> >> All this test are bench test using Mikrotik Bandwidth test tool ... >> >> Gino A. Villarini >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. >> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:27 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> I am not sure you are comparing apples to apples here. We have >> deployed a number of Redline 3.65 radios. Which UL radio provides >> more >> payload in a single polarization at an equivalent channel size, >> distance and signal level? >> >> -Matt >> >> On Apr 21, 2008, at 2:16 PM, Brad Belton wrote: >>> Exactly. A couple weeks ago an Avarion rep called to discuss >>> products (cold >>> call?) and I asked what payload is expected from the 3650 WiMAX >>> gear. He >>> avoided the question by saying he wasn't at liberty to discuss that >>> information yet. >>> >>> Redline was more forthright than Alvarion and came right out and >>> admitted >>> the WiMAX payloads were a good bit less than what we have available >>> today in >>> UL gear. Essentially the conversation moved completely away from >>> WiMAX and >>> back to Redline's UL gear. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 >>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 1:08 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>> >>> The official WiMax consultant training session I went to, showed >>> sub- >>> canopy >>> speeds beyond 7 miles. >>> I pointed that out in front of the group and just about got run out >>> of the >>> room. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:01 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>> >>> >>>> Patrick, >>>> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, >>>> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: >>>> 2 miles los? >>>> 2 miles wooded? >>>> 5 m los? >>>> 5 m nlos? >>>> 10 m los? >>>> 10 m nlos >>>> ?? >>>> Is this a fair question? >>>> >>>> Chuck Profito >>>> 209-988-7388 >>>> CV-ACCESS, INC >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Providing High Speed Broadband >>>> to Rural Central California >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours >>>> great >>>> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of >>>> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. >>>> Meanwhile, Mo >>>> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) >>>> was >>>> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public >>>> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the >>>> expectations. I >>>> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. >>>> >>>> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's >>>> greatest >>>> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. >>>> >>>> Patrick >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>> >>>> >>>>> I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only >>>>> partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree >>>>> strongly >>>> on >>>>> the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of >>>>> it). >>>>> >>>>> The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong >>>>> opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. >>>>> >>>>> Patrick >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>>>> >>>>> WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually >>>>> true >>>>> but >>>>> emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies >>>>> and >>>>> technologies but they will be a premium service and not well >>>>> suited to >>>>> compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will >>>> never >>>>> live >>>>> up to the hype. >>>>> >>>>> All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on >>>>> the >>>> go. >>>>> Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value >>>>> driven >>>>> customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value >>>>> leader >>>> for >>>>> >>>>> fixed wireless. technologies. >>>>> >>>>> 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more >>>>> cell >>>>> spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited >>>>> amounts >>>> of >>>>> data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of >>>>> the >>>>> antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less >>>>> gain >>>>> than >>>>> the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. >>>>> Also >>>>> there >>>>> will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing >>>>> TV >>>>> stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I >>>>> don't >>>>> know if >>>>> they get a special dispensation or what. >>>>> >>>>> All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That >>>> will >>>>> erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and >>>> capital >>>>> intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many >>>>> folks >>>>> prefer >>>>> to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior >>>>> customer >>>>> service >>>>> and support will always retain the customer. >>>>> >>>>> The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot >>>>> and >>>>> drop >>>>> the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer >>>>> base >>>>> from >>>>> DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as >>>>> well as >>>>> they >>>>> could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash >>>>> situation >>>>> from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and >>>>> us) >>>> from >>>>> the >>>>> other. >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web >>>>> development, >>>>> OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell >>>> opportunities. >>>>> >>>>> All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA >>>> HDTV. >>>>> OTA >>>>> HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the >>>>> value >>>>> conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and >>>> help >>>>> folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP >>>>> install >>>>> and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer >>>>> service. >>>>> You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost >>>> package. >>>>> >>>>> In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you >>>>> will >>>>> ride >>>>> this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come >>>>> along >>>>> for us >>>>> to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In >>>>> 10 >>>>> years, >>>>> if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. 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