I spoke with several equipment vendors and CLECs (local and nation-wide). Their statements combined with my own experiments is what brought me to that conclusion.
Some didn't offer T.38 at all because of it's unreliability. Some offered it, but had a very short list of ATAs that they would even talk to you about. Some of them were even referencing private network connections instead of public Internet. Yes, the network can be a source of issue, but T.38 is similar to WiMAX as it concerns us. They are all 802.16 (or T.38), but their implementations are all different and thus not interoperable. ---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? > Mike, > > Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your > network > Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction > standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks > currently support) > > -Charles > > > Charles Wu > President > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 > > 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: > 773.326.4641 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? > > Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate > with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many > softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. > > > ---------- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? > > >> Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we >> found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work >> over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. >> >> -Matt >> >> On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> >>> Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 >>> doesn't >>> really work. >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? >>> >>> >>>> Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. >>>> Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People >>>> like >>>> their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. >>>> Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to >>>> the >>>> basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain >>>> cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of >>>> reasons. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? >>>> >>>> >>>>> We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with >>>>> (keeping >>>>> another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) >>>>> Netsapians. >>>>> So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I >>>>> think >>>>> I >>>>> can sell. >>>>> >>>>> I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni >>>>> wifi. That >>>>> is >>>>> to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any >>>>> form >>>>> from >>>>> any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone >>>>> lines???? >>>>> >>>>> Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the >>>>> price >>>>> wars >>>>> are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST >>>>> services >>>>> on >>>>> the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be >>>>> transport. >>>>> marlon >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA >>>>> General >>>>> List" >>>>> <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product >>>>>> launches? >>>>>> >>>>>> Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you >>>>>> billing? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> John M. 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