The first thing to understand is if you are prepaired to adequately route 
with your own IPs.

There is a clear advantage to ahving your own IPs, from the perspective that 
you will no longer be held hostage by your upstream, having the freedom to 
be portable between transit providers.

However, most people do not consider or understand all the real issue, 
relating to their own IPs. Just because you have the freedom to be portable, 
does not mean that it is techncially possible to route well with your 
current Network design and upstreams.  Its easy to route properly when you 
have Large blocks (/18 and larger) or when you have all your Transit 
providers located at one location. The primary problem you will run into is 
Large ISPs that have OLD routers, that are very limited to the amount of RAM 
that they have. A perfect example are Cisco 3550s, very common layer2/3 GB 
switches.   What you find is that the routers are not capable to handle all 
the routes for local connections, and often will limit the minimum size 
block that they'll accept advertized to them.  So if you have a /24 in one 
city's transit connection, and a /24 on another city's transit conenction, 
you might be able to advertise the /24s appropriately, but it doesn't mean 
that they'll accept or keep the routes in their tables.  The bottom line is 
that your network.IP design needs to have it built in what will happen to 
the path of data, if the routes are not able to adequately be routed to the 
right upstreams, or for that matter any Peer of that Upstream.  The 
advantage of using IPs from an Upstream, is they make sure their own IPs 
route optimally over their own network. And you dont have to be hassled by 
it, if you use theirs. The truth is, they WILL do it better.  Also 
understand that when you use a block (ex /20) you then have the right to ask 
for a larger one (/19), effectively doubling your space. When you get large 
allocations, you have a LOT more free IPs to reserve for a specific region, 
so you can maintain a clear routing design, based on large blocks that all 
ISP wil l except. With small allocations... Its not really posible to 
Reserve IP for a region, because it will be to hard to use up all your IPs 
to justify the next allocation, and to  easy to run out of IPs in an area. 
So you end up assigning IPs all over the place, and when you grow, will 
probably end up having to compeltely renumber to be able to have routing 
ppolicies that make sense that match the capacities of your internal 
network. I'm probably not explaining that clearly.  In summary I'm saying 
small blocks are harder to route. Large BLocks allow you to allocate large 
blocks in more places.

In using your own IPs, whether it be IP4 or IP6, to make it worth it, to 
have to deal with the headaches of small block allocation, you have to have 
a clear justifiable reason why you don't want to use your upstream's IPs. 
For example, will you likely want to change Upstreams?  In our case... We 
defined a clear reason (application/design), why we wanted our Own IPs, but 
more importantly why we needed control our routing of those IPs.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John McDowell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Considering ARIN and buying our own IPs....IPv4? IPv6


> Hey guys and gals,
> We are looking at our first redundant fiber connection from a second 
> carrier
> and feeling the need to have our own IPs so that this will work out well.
>
> Anybody have advice on where to start with ARIN, besides just fishing 
> around
> on the website, and what should we be looking at buying. We have a little
> over 350 subs right now and growing about 30 subs/month on average. We 
> have
> a block of 2000 IPs from AT&T.
>
> We want to plan for future growth, and for IPv6....any advice?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- 
> John M. McDowell
> Boonlink Communications
> 307 Grand Ave NW
> Fort Payne, AL 35967
> 256.844.9932
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> www.boonlink.com
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