We have an FCC attorney in Virginia do it for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Cosby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
> Speaking of that, who do you use for your FCC licensing/coordination on > these links, or do you do it in-house? > > Randy > > > Chuck McCown - 2 wrote: >> There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make you >> use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more >> frequency >> reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area >> and >> sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to >> use >> @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 mile >> hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >> today... >> >> >> >>> Ok, that opens up a useful conversation..... >>> >>> Why is that? >>> 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft >>> antennas.allowed. >>> I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do >>> 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not >>> translating to larger deployment. >>> I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft >>> dishes. >>> >>> So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? >>> Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? >>> Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? >>> And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller >>> antenna >>> is "secondary" and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size >>> antenna? >>> >>> The fact is.... 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused >>> spectrum >>> available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one tower >>> or >>> property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft >>> requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Brad Belton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>> today... >>> >>> >>> >>>> As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with >>>> 6GHz >>>> that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz >>>> freq >>>> pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean >>>> even >>>> fewer available freq pairs. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> >>>> Brad >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>> today... >>>> >>>> Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller >>>> antennas >>>> to >>>> be allowed on 6Ghz. >>>> Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. >>>> >>>> The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t >>>> hold >>>> for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi >>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>> today... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't >>>>> there >>>>> already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that >>>>> have >>>>> quite some range to them? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>> today... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Butch, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>>>>> >>>>>> You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. >>>>>> >>>>>> They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, >>>>>> and >>>>>> said, "but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are >>>>>> also >>>>>> a >>>>>> very important part of broadband delivery".. >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and >>>>>> FCC >>>>>> committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But >>>>>> the >>>>>> commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What >>>>>> was >>>>>> clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. Atleast, >>>>>> we >>>>>> know where we stand now. >>>>>> >>>>>> We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy >>>>>> to >>>>>> fix, >>>>>> if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic >>>>>> wand >>>>>> and >>>>>> change "100mw" to "4w" (at least for non-adjacent channels), and >>>>>> it'll >>>>>> be >>>>>> fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but >>>>>> we >>>>>> can't >>>>>> survive without adequate power. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "Wispa List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Cc: "WISPA Members List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM >>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting >>>>>> today... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our >>>>>>> industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but >>>>>>> in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were >>>>>>> "music to my ears". Then, the "music" turned to "noise".... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our >>>>>>> broadband future." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't agree more. He also said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Today?s decision is consequential to our nation?s future because >>>>>>> wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and >>>>>>> quality of life in even the remotest areas." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY "get it". Then, >>>>>>> he went on to say this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing >>>>>>> the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order >>>>>>> provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to provide >>>>>>> an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used >>>>>>> spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that >>>>>>> already make valuable use of the spectrum." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WHAT? The "most promise"? I'm not horribly disappointed about the >>>>>>> overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that >>>>>>> unlicensed at 100mW is going to "maximize the use" of anything? >>>>>>> Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but >>>>>>> these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful >>>>>>> spectrum that the WISPA suggested "licensed lite" approach could >>>>>>> have offered. I won't continue in disecting his statement since >>>>>>> most of it was not something I am very positive about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and >>>>>>> nothing about ptmp. This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a >>>>>>> total loss. I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's >>>>>>> you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news release >>>>>>> at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't think the decisions were a total loss. We did get >>>>>>> geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position. We also >>>>>>> got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected. The only >>>>>>> real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is >>>>>>> because they chose unlicensed over license lite. Our FCC committee >>>>>>> worked very hard to get us to this point. I don't think any of us >>>>>>> realize how much time Jack Unger and Steve Coran put into this issue >>>>>>> on our behalf over the past 2-3 weeks. If you have not personally >>>>>>> thanked them, you really should take a minute to do so. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My personal take on this is that they wanted to do "something" but >>>>>>> not too much. I think I sense a "new battleground" forming when the >>>>>>> new commission takes over next year. It is for this reason, that I >>>>>>> urge ALL OF YOU (me, too) to do 3 things over the next few months: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. If you are not already, become a WISPA member. We would not be >>>>>>> at this point without your financial support. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. If you have not already done so, become familiar with WHY the >>>>>>> TVWS are (or will be) beneficial to you and your network. This will >>>>>>> prepare you for the upcoming fight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Join the debates which are sure to come over the next few weeks >>>>>>> to help WISPA prepare to continue the fight for this most valuable >>>>>>> of spectrums for our cause. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>>>>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>>>>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>>>>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>>>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>> >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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